From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#68375: 29.1; lispref documentation fixes Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2024 22:54:48 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87wmsgztk8.fsf@debian-hx90.lan> <871qam995r.fsf@gmx.net> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="23574"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 68375@debbugs.gnu.org, manphiz@gmail.com To: Stephen Berman Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 13 04:55:21 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rOV7B-0005vK-MU for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 13 Jan 2024 04:55:21 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rOV6x-0003gd-Ly; Fri, 12 Jan 2024 22:55:07 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rOV6w-0003g8-4D for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2024 22:55:06 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rOV6v-0007Pl-3a for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2024 22:55:05 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rOV6t-000568-20 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2024 22:55:03 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2024 03:55:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 68375 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 68375-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B68375.170511809719573 (code B ref 68375); Sat, 13 Jan 2024 03:55:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at 68375) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jan 2024 03:54:57 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38099 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rOV6n-00055a-Bl for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2024 22:54:57 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51378) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rOV6k-00055J-L8 for 68375@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2024 22:54:55 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rOV6g-0007E0-RA; Fri, 12 Jan 2024 22:54:50 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=fnZKU7ZON9n15C8ZjAPmTA/IC6IVqHgm2ITS/gID1hY=; b=rSw5Qb12JFjB tb0RFn4FWngxcMxGVqPitMaWy3ZMIL5VJmp8Ul39IiZqiPL6w9UuJtEwK/6uIgK/Oss0h/03vKRsa 8PXGBTlCj7baeOnmHZ6GgUAK5au2iHXwhRHJD/j8nQC4rohfHPEy7o00RRsuMIncQej3C+YNhvBR3 al2KogjH4Vwt4PLR+AwGShVB6za5euxZkcy0/nzylVie9aNb3jDpmg4GKVZccxmEGzozEP2R9c2Rm bZuPFKa4IKvO8/flN5k44NAS3J9kZCe80gYBfTq6rehYzwHLnFBDaFQ9pJd2foC0OHCdokxMbsMci FFYNgqjjYUXutOOMCoWYoA==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rOV6e-0005C9-Bj; Fri, 12 Jan 2024 22:54:48 -0500 In-Reply-To: <871qam995r.fsf@gmx.net> (bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:278082 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > In this sentence "need" is not in the subjunctive mood but is being used > as a modal verb, like "can", "must", etc. What's special about "need" > in this usage is that it only occurs in so-called polarity contexts > (e.g. negative, interrogative), unlike the ordinary modal verbs (so > e.g. "A buffer need be displayed" is ungrammatical but "A buffer > can/must/may be displayed" is fine). Is there a grammatical name for this sort of verb usage practice? -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)