From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#61325: 30.0.50; Jokes in GNUS manual Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2023 23:28:40 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87ttzy7pg1.fsf@localhost> <87wn4u6xj0.fsf@yahoo.com> <873577570z.fsf@localhost> <875yc2s89n.fsf@yahoo.com> <87h6vkbgot.fsf@localhost> <87mt5aj626.fsf@localhost> <87cz65hkk1.fsf@yahoo.com> <87cz5kfza6.fsf@localhost> <87bkl4ozvr.fsf@yahoo.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="31919"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: yantar92@posteo.net, gregory@heytings.org, 61325@debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com To: Po Lu Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 09 05:29:21 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pa7u5-00082o-6p for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2023 05:29:21 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pa7tn-00005O-Qf; Wed, 08 Mar 2023 23:29:03 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pa7tm-00005C-D3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Mar 2023 23:29:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pa7tm-00070c-4L for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Mar 2023 23:29:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pa7tl-00028k-OM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Mar 2023 23:29:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2023 04:29:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 61325 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 61325-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B61325.16783361288203 (code B ref 61325); Thu, 09 Mar 2023 04:29:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 61325) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Mar 2023 04:28:48 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50607 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pa7tX-00028F-QA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 08 Mar 2023 23:28:48 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:40698) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pa7tV-000280-RM for 61325@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 08 Mar 2023 23:28:46 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pa7tQ-0006tS-K3; Wed, 08 Mar 2023 23:28:40 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=chvs/Nefwri28Pwc250B1wFKUyNcAsdQZWHNhsPHYN0=; b=i9q+7O+d4ps7 ix6lIsuNaQnX9hDIOGAoGMcGT+gQ9Ul6eWnXGcodAy9ps05SqBAomLT12USWP/3PbK7HgebgBKi9E QGLSED0t1n0iHa/ULUb1SL9jF6wyGeKq5fqaz4LZdM8CXkNh8fh81vgRIkM7iIkBHVfxcsU57Auwv 0weD3lVRhla16LKTUUdq+U6NaIUWJFyRRLoHcUc09vlsUpOgrmF8nfL7BnycAshl1c0MqQBiaXS2I +IlbT/yFYdoPshn9QSh/20w/+95ATJOJSDUaQvI/xTJFLG4LsSxYgcJ9HKbGqXpt+vJaQOq00NwGx 2tbRPs1L7R9LrD+Wu/YtPg==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pa7tQ-000525-4w; Wed, 08 Mar 2023 23:28:40 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87bkl4ozvr.fsf@yahoo.com> (message from Po Lu on Wed, 08 Mar 2023 08:22:48 +0800) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:257581 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > Though I do not see why replacing the risky topics with more neutral > > would hurt, given that the quality of a joke being changed does not > > degrade. > Because it amounts to kow-towing in front of the mob of hypersensitive > people. I agree. If you write a mamual and put no jokes in it, the absence of jokes is not a bug. There is no need to add jokes just so there will be some jokes. If you write a mamual and put no sex-related jokes in it, the absence of sex-related jokes is not a bug. There is no need to add sex-related jokes just so there will be some. If you write a manual with some sex-related jokes, and for some unrelated reason you delete one, deleting it is not a problem. That particular sex-related joke is not essential for a good manual. But if we consider a proposel to delete all sex-related jokes because talking about sex is "offensive", that is not simply proposing a change in the manual. It is, in effect, a proposal to establish a rule against such jokes. That makes it much more of an issue than adding or deleting one particular joke. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)