From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#22564: Fundamental mode isn't fundamental enough. Date: Sat, 07 May 2022 19:08:36 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20160205125559.GC7727@acm.fritz.box> <20160205215301.GG7727@acm.fritz.box> <87ee1isi8r.fsf@gnus.org> <83h7697p7b.fsf@gnu.org> <83h7664kmg.fsf@gnu.org> <83k0b0356u.fsf@gnu.org> <83ilqhzwfd.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24216"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rgm@gnu.org, johnw@gnu.org, 22564@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, acm@muc.de, larsi@gnus.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun May 08 01:11:17 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nnTa1-000660-0E for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 08 May 2022 01:11:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34090 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nnTZz-00063A-Rz for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 07 May 2022 19:11:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45844) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nnTXq-0003At-91 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2022 19:09:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:59188) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nnTXp-0000Qu-VY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2022 19:09:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nnTXp-00009H-NJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2022 19:09:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 07 May 2022 23:09:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22564 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 22564-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22564.1651964927538 (code B ref 22564); Sat, 07 May 2022 23:09:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 22564) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 May 2022 23:08:47 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53081 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nnTXb-00008c-9V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2022 19:08:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:52474) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nnTXa-00008M-AD for 22564@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2022 19:08:46 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:45018) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nnTXU-0000OK-GM; Sat, 07 May 2022 19:08:40 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=1Bi0whgil6YoL3f3I4jMiP+27E9ZFpZ4sxaySdJE/qk=; b=OSw7ZCKMZifu RS32SpEOsr/r2nvOh23IPWZ0+YZwl6rpW9sU7mZWeYdXnoe2GRJdgF9gSmix2d90nT02oWRRybFE3 y2R5wzbIHlGsBlQaSorCE5rb+k49jEn6VK1C+XLEt26LJRkLtiIOouWBe6+wn5YLC95xXNnWz+QR+ JnrC/CeoEr6r/zB8/NMvdvJzsJtvID4Tn/b3L1V/7Mh8xu9oHj/v0zewpQq2ipbq1eXXtS4BnCc0m xcb1HHDByI+8Yn6M/eZBJXSUcMmKNNm3jeFJ+hfadnawM0wypx8GkISMUbvhV0r4hFexjk6nWJiB5 DTZd7UBWvlAh4If+LkBhRg==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nnTXQ-0003um-44; Sat, 07 May 2022 19:08:36 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83ilqhzwfd.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sat, 07 May 2022 09:30:46 +0300) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:231615 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > As far as I could see, it did not change anything. > > So I tried again in emacs -Q, and I saw it indented the > > following line. > Are you customizing the command bound to RET in your init files? I can't see any sign that it does that, but I guess it does something pertinent though I can't tell what. Anyway, the thing to document is the emacs -Q behavior. > Indenting the following line is the expected default behavior, yes. I think the documentation of Electric Indent mode should say that that is what it does in modes that don't alter the behavior. That's explicit. Why not? > > Maybe. But I do think the term "reindent" needs to be explined > > somewhere in the Emacs manual. > If all we need to say is that reindent means to remove any indentation > and then indent the line according to context and major mode's rules, > that's simple enough. I think that's correct. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)