From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#22564: Fundamental mode isn't fundamental enough. Date: Fri, 06 May 2022 19:20:54 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20160205125559.GC7727@acm.fritz.box> <20160205215301.GG7727@acm.fritz.box> <87ee1isi8r.fsf@gnus.org> <83h7697p7b.fsf@gnu.org> <83h7664kmg.fsf@gnu.org> <83k0b0356u.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="28846"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rgm@gnu.org, johnw@gnu.org, 22564@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, acm@muc.de, larsi@gnus.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat May 07 01:28:18 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nn7Mw-0007JM-AQ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 07 May 2022 01:28:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40400 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nn7Mv-0007Oh-CD for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 06 May 2022 19:28:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55824) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nn7Gs-0005xP-Kj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2022 19:22:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:56182) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nn7Gs-00025L-83 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2022 19:22:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nn7Gs-0003UB-4g for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2022 19:22:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 06 May 2022 23:22:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22564 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 22564-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22564.165187926713332 (code B ref 22564); Fri, 06 May 2022 23:22:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 22564) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 May 2022 23:21:07 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50079 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nn7Fu-0003Sl-Bf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2022 19:21:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:34118) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nn7Fs-0003S1-HO for 22564@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2022 19:21:00 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:56952) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nn7Fn-0001ro-AS; Fri, 06 May 2022 19:20:55 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=AsmOej0ED/AlVA3cg6TigRLtXW1Nzwk+7p10s3auSJ0=; b=ctte7vFbVotz NmYqUpTpPC2z2cGwS9E4s0XXIsVEw/FgCtvZ5xrgXNBsoNo5FkQJj3zYd8Tvp+S2QWHEbClAqwW4q N0NMOjIsr385B4KnHoaEwj9bHm2b+tg0VbHFjLc8ExvLHTpUz/shjDQenbyd27MJM2DXuWiPye7Na tZB1diIPwQ2Uym3ohAqGF/hUfOSTNmVmuFrGVH8xqNmWPgpVMVO4HjHIXDnNdm/MCoe4wKG/VYSmN VgELZeTRykz6v6XVPBTaCFZqgdpaWTXWeaaNX9v9e0LuxctCEG0Ya6KzobrikckfuiOlB6JFgeozX 6yP9fAw2r4wwGKMIak8cgg==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nn7Fm-0002N0-ST; Fri, 06 May 2022 19:20:54 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83k0b0356u.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Thu, 05 May 2022 08:43:21 +0300) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:231548 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > As a simple example, try this in fundamental mode, on an empty line: > C-u 10 SPC C-u 10 x RET As far as I could see, it did not change anything. So I tried again in emacs -Q, and I saw it indented the following line. > Nevertheless, if we describe better what the newline and similar > characters do in electric-indent-mode, that would cover Fundamental as > well, If the description of thoe characters' default behavior is concrete enough, I think it would do the job. > I don't know. But I think it is better to say that this mode > automatically indents the current line according to the context (the > surrounding lines) and the rules of the major mode. After all, the > mode's name is "Electric Indent mode", not "Electric Reindent mode". Maybe. But I do think the term "reindent" needs to be explined somewhere in the Emacs manual. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)