From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#53316: 28.0.91; Missing Transient manual in Emacs Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2022 01:45:33 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87o845s4xv.fsf@gnus.org> <87iltgcbqx.fsf@bernoul.li> <87tuczdcqo.fsf@bernoul.li> <6ar182selo.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83r182105v.fsf@gnu.org> <83k0drz1jv.fsf@gnu.org> <33A4238A-C948-4A8E-BADB-689142143CED@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="1481"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rgm@gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, jonas@bernoul.li, p.stephani2@gmail.com, 53316@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 23 07:55:37 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nMlYn-0000DA-8X for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 23 Feb 2022 07:55:37 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56076 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nMlYl-0006yU-OV for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 23 Feb 2022 01:55:35 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:46716) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nMlQW-0001zV-9N for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Feb 2022 01:47:04 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:49732) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nMlQV-0004hV-Er for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Feb 2022 01:47:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nMlQU-0007WV-E1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Feb 2022 01:47:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2022 06:47:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53316 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 53316-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53316.164559878628871 (code B ref 53316); Wed, 23 Feb 2022 06:47:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 53316) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Feb 2022 06:46:26 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43627 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nMlPj-0007VJ-Id for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Feb 2022 01:46:26 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39606) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nMlPh-0007V5-Mq for 53316@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Feb 2022 01:46:14 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=41266 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nMlPQ-0004X6-5U; Wed, 23 Feb 2022 01:46:05 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=3xsW7LNh8QGblYQbilkn3V++bX4J/nVwY1BqvRaptIM=; b=gRktxL/rse85 NEC86CQZaxsq538putT8swLh54dfq4dsS22d4ZDhDxaozpcTx/HCzQDCXaas+Ope+OuIAY6+xLyts E1JQESFN5YaJdr/D/dil+onTmh1cT40Ll0DON/gCtANrg2bFDwT38XCGxmiQ7P+73BchQHYAqzmab 4ANhxModrYDt9WN0/nwcw/cpKXA0MHc7Xs/A6FpJu23AukCoEbSppXqrDAHxcVGfZ4FwoYvmJpwwN vaf3TVXCRXoN9Lxs1dhmAYQGhk4fhjVs3pAnQ44PBEY1XNoM84vWwJBLcCa5UbU5JC+jKKzcMkZie 1CgEBRxawzFgUIMjXGC7SA==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nMlP3-0008Bh-J2; Wed, 23 Feb 2022 01:45:37 -0500 In-Reply-To: <33A4238A-C948-4A8E-BADB-689142143CED@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Mon, 21 Feb 2022 07:47:29 +0200) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:227479 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Transient is not just a manual, Transient is an Emacs Lisp package, I know. > Removing its manual is only acceptable to me if we also remove > the package and all its uses. Lots of packages don't have manuals. Indeed, it is undesirable not to have the Texinfo manual, but not a disaster. > > * Fork the manual, making a version for which the Texinfo form is the > > real source that we edit. That version can be included in Emacs 28. > > This forkage would be a practical problem, but not a disaster. > This is what we did, in effect. The Texinfo sources were heavily edited, and diverged significantly from the results of conversion from Org. I see. Well, this is ok, in terms of principles. > The converter exists, but has problems that need to be resolved > before the results could be acceptable. We hope this will be done > in the future, and will allow us to use the Org sources instead of > Texinfo. > Fof future releases, we indeed hope to see the problems of > conversion from Org resolved, That would be a very good advance; but because it's difficult and because I've seen people neglect the issue before, could you ask the people doing this to show me the spec they want to implement? -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)