From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#50880: Add "Contributing to Emacs" help command (see C-h C-h) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2021 19:17:35 -0400 Message-ID: References: <8735pndfna.fsf@gnus.org> <878rzf9xtk.fsf@gnus.org> <25d8d72022560012a303@heytings.org> <87a6jtw6ki.fsf@gnus.org> <83zgrtdp6e.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="8735"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 50880@debbugs.gnu.org, gregory@heytings.org, stefan@marxist.se, larsi@gnus.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 03 01:18:18 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mWoGo-00024s-F0 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 03 Oct 2021 01:18:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41626 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWoGm-0006ko-K6 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 19:18:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55114) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWoGY-0006iT-CS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 19:18:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:49225) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWoGY-0004IM-3f for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 19:18:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mWoGX-0001At-Vq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 19:18:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2021 23:18:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 50880 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 50880-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B50880.16332166634070 (code B ref 50880); Sat, 02 Oct 2021 23:18:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 50880) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Oct 2021 23:17:43 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60771 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mWoGE-00013I-VC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 19:17:43 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:49860) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mWoGE-0000zH-1d for 50880@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 19:17:42 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:35712) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWoG8-0003wb-LS; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 19:17:36 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWoG7-0000XP-Ks; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 19:17:36 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83zgrtdp6e.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Fri, 01 Oct 2021 13:17:45 +0300) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:216209 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > >> C-h g -> About the GNU project > > >> C-h G -> Emacs copying permission (GNU General Public License) > > >> C-h C-c -> Contributing > > > IMO the best proposal so far, but Lars didn't want to move the GPL > > > from 'C-h C-c' so that part unfortunately makes it a non-starter. > > > > I'm not dead set against it -- it's not like these are commands that > > people use heavily. But that cuts the other way, too -- making this new > > command mnemonic isn't really that important, either, since I'd assume > > that people would be accessing them via `C-h C-h' and then paging down, > > entering whatever key it says they should use. I.e., nobody's > > remembering these keystrokes anyway. > > > > Perhaps Eli has an opinion here? > How about not giving it a key binding at all? Why is a key binding > important in this case? It's not like people will want to read that > section twice a day. I agree. Given that key bindings are somewhat scarce, it's good to avoid using them up for commands that don't really need one. However, it may be necessary to give it a key binding so it can appear in the Help menu. And having it appear there is useful. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)