From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21695: 25.0.50; Change most occurrences of `setq' in Emacs manual to `customize-set-variable'? Really? Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2021 20:30:48 -0400 Message-ID: References: <97d3ff2c-9e72-4004-88a9-08130ac99a74@default> <838s0fpixr.fsf@gnu.org> <83k0jtr45c.fsf@gnu.org> <87v93avtoe.fsf@gnus.org> <87r1dyvtav.fsf@gnus.org> <87mtolx6de.fsf@gnus.org> <87ilz9x5c8.fsf@gnus.org> <87y284rb1z.fsf@gnus.org> <0d48a23084a8b0435f37@heytings.org> <83h7eqf9wx.fsf@gnu.org> <0d48a230848de1d1b255@heytings.org> <83ee9uf82a.fsf@gnu.org> <0d48a23084cf7a569554@heytings.org> <83czpef6hj.fsf@gnu.org> <97113ce8ba560c9ac39f@heytings.org> <6b0f1c8e-9cfa-99b5-2862-d25e85cff3e5@gmx.at> <97113ce8bab1a4e2456d@heytings.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="33862"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 21695@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, hmelman@gmail.com, gregory@heytings.org To: martin rudalics Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 18 02:32:16 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mROH8-0008b4-Pu for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 18 Sep 2021 02:32:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53060 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mROH6-0008F5-TB for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2021 20:32:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44546) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mROGw-0008Ek-P2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2021 20:32:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:49956) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mROGw-0001TQ-HM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2021 20:32:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mROGw-0001c5-C2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2021 20:32:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2021 00:32:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21695 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 21695-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21695.16319250686141 (code B ref 21695); Sat, 18 Sep 2021 00:32:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 21695) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Sep 2021 00:31:08 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33269 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mROG4-0001ay-EQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2021 20:31:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:55392) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mROG0-0001aP-1L for 21695@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2021 20:31:07 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:34112) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mROFt-0000Zw-SS; Fri, 17 Sep 2021 20:30:58 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mROFk-0001T9-N6; Fri, 17 Sep 2021 20:30:50 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from martin rudalics on Thu, 16 Sep 2021 08:56:48 +0200) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:214593 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I probably should have said "that the definitions of the variables have > been written carefully" so nobody would have come to a conclusion like > > so that they DTRT if the > > user sets one with setq in an init file. > which is not what I had in mind. I am now not sure what you had in mind. However, we seem to have reached conflicting conclusions. You say that > Then it seems to say that setting one of these variable with setq (in > an init file?) is almost surely a bug. but everything else in this discussion seems to support the opposite conclusion: setting one of these variables with setq in an init file, in the usual simple case (you haven't loaded the definition yet), is perfectly ok. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)