From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21695: 25.0.50; Change most occurrences of `setq' in Emacs manual to `customize-set-variable'? Really? Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2021 23:41:29 -0400 Message-ID: References: <97d3ff2c-9e72-4004-88a9-08130ac99a74@default> <838s0fpixr.fsf@gnu.org> <83k0jtr45c.fsf@gnu.org> <87v93avtoe.fsf@gnus.org> <87r1dyvtav.fsf@gnus.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7515"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, hmelman@gmail.com, 21695@debbugs.gnu.org To: Gregory Heytings Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 10 05:42:11 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mOXQY-0001oB-Up for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 10 Sep 2021 05:42:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56212 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mOXQX-0005We-Kq for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 09 Sep 2021 23:42:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56240) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mOXQQ-0005UY-5f for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Sep 2021 23:42:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:53286) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mOXQP-0003Sh-Tx for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Sep 2021 23:42:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mOXQP-0005RF-PV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Sep 2021 23:42:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2021 03:42:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21695 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 21695-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21695.163124529920878 (code B ref 21695); Fri, 10 Sep 2021 03:42:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 21695) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Sep 2021 03:41:39 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36599 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mOXQ2-0005Qg-VH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Sep 2021 23:41:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:38750) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mOXQ0-0005QT-W2 for 21695@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Sep 2021 23:41:37 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:58310) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mOXPv-0002lN-K8; Thu, 09 Sep 2021 23:41:31 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mOXPt-0005uf-8J; Thu, 09 Sep 2021 23:41:31 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Gregory Heytings on Thu, 09 Sep 2021 12:40:50 +0000) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:213958 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > That's not an autoloaded variable (well, minor mode), so Emacs doesn't > > know that it has a :set when .emacs is loaded. > > > Oh, I see. You mean that setq'ing autoloaded variables, which are loaded > before their .el files is loaded, can usually be setq'd, disregarding > their :set property. But I don't see how one could distinguish between > those for which it is problematic and those for which is isn't. Please see the solution I proposed in the past few days. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)