From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21695: 25.0.50; Change most occurrences of `setq' in Emacs manual to `customize-set-variable'? Really? Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2021 23:11:33 -0400 Message-ID: References: <97d3ff2c-9e72-4004-88a9-08130ac99a74@default> <838s0fpixr.fsf@gnu.org> <83k0jtr45c.fsf@gnu.org> <83fsufo8ff.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="29547"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 21695@debbugs.gnu.org, hmelman@gmail.com To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 09 05:13:28 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mOAVE-0007Qn-Bk for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 09 Sep 2021 05:13:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35144 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mOAVD-0000zV-C5 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 08 Sep 2021 23:13:27 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40578) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mOATq-0006K3-6e for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Sep 2021 23:12:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:50530) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mOATp-0003e5-SL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Sep 2021 23:12:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mOATp-0004SF-NW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Sep 2021 23:12:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2021 03:12:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21695 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 21695-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21695.163115710217092 (code B ref 21695); Thu, 09 Sep 2021 03:12:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 21695) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Sep 2021 03:11:42 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33842 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mOATW-0004Rb-DL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 08 Sep 2021 23:11:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:52578) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mOATT-0004RN-No for 21695@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 08 Sep 2021 23:11:40 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:43306) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mOATO-0003BO-IM; Wed, 08 Sep 2021 23:11:34 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mOATN-0007Fp-Dh; Wed, 08 Sep 2021 23:11:33 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83fsufo8ff.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Wed, 08 Sep 2021 10:03:48 +0300) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:213872 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > 1. Get the list of variables that use :set. > > > > 2. For each of those variables, see if it is used in any source file > > other than the one that contains the defcustom. A script can do this. > "Any source file" should include all the Lisp files installed on the > user's machine, right? I don't think so. There is no need. To make language clearer, let's say the variable is foofoo, its defcustom is in foofoo.el, and all its other uses in Emacs are in foofoo.el after the defcustom. That option doesn't have any problems, I think. Setting it with (setq foofoo ...) is something that should work in .emacs. But we don't say it will work in Lisp code in general. To do that, the user has to look up the right way to set it and do it that way. So I think what I proposed is correct. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)