From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#46627: [PATCH] Add new help command 'describe-command' Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 01:23:33 -0500 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32561"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 46627@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 22 07:24:33 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lE4e1-0008LC-4n for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 07:24:33 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59194 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lE4dz-00037b-SO for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 01:24:31 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50194) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lE4dZ-00037G-Sm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 01:24:05 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:43865) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lE4dW-0008TB-Mt for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 01:24:05 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lE4dW-0007Gk-Jb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 01:24:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 06:24:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 46627 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 46627-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B46627.161397502227908 (code B ref 46627); Mon, 22 Feb 2021 06:24:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 46627) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Feb 2021 06:23:42 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55410 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lE4dC-0007G3-9U for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 01:23:42 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:60502) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lE4dA-0007Fp-78 for 46627@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 01:23:40 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:48446) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lE4d5-0008IR-29; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 01:23:35 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lE4d3-0006zC-2W; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 01:23:33 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Sun, 21 Feb 2021 01:17:55 -0600) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:200543 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > To me, it certainly sounds more complicated to learn, and harder to use, > than just having two separate commands. If your concern is complexity, > the above is the more complex UI. I am astounded by the way you see it. I did not expect to encounter disagreement on this point. It seems that you are equally astounded. I will explain why I see it the way I do. > - `C-h f' for any function > - `C-h x' for commands This is yet one more specific command one needs to remember. For a beginner, or even a not-quite-beginner, learning hundreds of other commands is the hard part. And it is easy to forget them. By contrast, what TAB TAB TAB... does inside completion for commands is a general feature, not similar to any other. Users will forget commands that they learned, but I think they will hardly forget this. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)