From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Francesco =?UTF-8?Q?Potort=C3=AC?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#43866: 26.3; italian postfix additions Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2020 21:55:07 +0200 Message-ID: References: <88F65AD7-259D-4C39-A216-78E0DE7B9F13@acm.org> <5F77A995-2CB4-4090-94CF-1DE60FEAF4FB@acm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="14848"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 43866@debbugs.gnu.org, Robert Pluim To: Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 08 21:56:10 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kQc1K-0003j8-8B for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 08 Oct 2020 21:56:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41182 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kQc1I-0004HC-RB for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 08 Oct 2020 15:56:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58452) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kQc1C-0004Gi-1j for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Oct 2020 15:56:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:49905) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kQc1B-0001st-Nr for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Oct 2020 15:56:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kQc1B-0000ev-NG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Oct 2020 15:56:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Francesco =?UTF-8?Q?Potort=C3=AC?= Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2020 19:56:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43866 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 43866-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43866.16021869112475 (code B ref 43866); Thu, 08 Oct 2020 19:56:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 43866) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Oct 2020 19:55:11 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33218 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kQc0N-0000dr-G8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 08 Oct 2020 15:55:11 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp-clients1.isti.cnr.it ([146.48.28.36]:40980) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kQc0L-0000dh-NI for 43866@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 08 Oct 2020 15:55:10 -0400 Original-Received: from tucano.isti.cnr.it (tucano.isti.cnr.it [146.48.81.102]) (Authenticated sender: pot) by smtp-clients1.isti.cnr.it (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EF8AAB0512; Thu, 8 Oct 2020 21:55:07 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.102.4 at smtp-out.isti.cnr.it Original-Received: from pot by tucano.isti.cnr.it with local (Exim 4.94) (envelope-from ) id 1kQc0J-006Age-GH; Thu, 08 Oct 2020 21:55:07 +0200 In-reply-to: <5F77A995-2CB4-4090-94CF-1DE60FEAF4FB@acm.org> (mattiase@acm.org) X-fingerprint: 4B02 6187 5C03 D6B1 2E31 7666 09DF 2DC9 BE21 6115 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:190119 Archived-At: Francesco> I would not include c= and C=. I would not include e= either. These Francesco> things are very annoying unless they are really useful, so better just Francesco> include what's really needed and nothing more. Robert: >> The advantage of e= is that (on a US-type keyboard at least) it >> doesnʼt involve any modifiers. But then again adding it would increase >> the chances of someone typing it by mistake. Mattias: >As you noted, e= is already in latin-postfix. It seems odd to require >E= in one mode and e= in another. It makes more sense for >italian-postfix to be a subset of latin-postfix, so that an Italian >user who needs foreign letters can switch without relearning >composition pairs. I once tried using latin-postfix and I soon stopped, as it creates many more artifacts that you don't want than ones you want. Having a lowcase e for making the euro sign is just one more reason why I wouldn't use latin-postfix. If the agreed-upon solution is to put 'e =' on all European postfix languages, I think that's better leaving them all as they are now. If the only blocking issue here is inconsistency with latin-postfix, then better use 'E =' in place of 'e =' on latin-postfix and adding the same to all European languages. The only drawback would be for those using latin-postfix, but after my experience using it, I don't think it is really used in practice.