From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#43537: 26.3; "lost" diary entries - mark-diary-entries-in-calendar obsolete Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 23:32:42 -0400 Message-ID: References: <875z88on9w.fsf@math.kth.se> <87v9g7payk.fsf@gnus.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="21020"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 43537@debbugs.gnu.org, kurlberg@math.kth.se To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 22 05:33:10 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kKZ3G-0005O1-Mu for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 22 Sep 2020 05:33:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53158 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kKZ3F-00033L-Lj for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 21 Sep 2020 23:33:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53922) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kKZ38-00033C-Nn for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Sep 2020 23:33:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:45306) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kKZ38-0005bO-E1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Sep 2020 23:33:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kKZ38-0003DH-AX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Sep 2020 23:33:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 03:33:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43537 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 43537-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43537.160074557512338 (code B ref 43537); Tue, 22 Sep 2020 03:33:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 43537) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Sep 2020 03:32:55 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56852 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kKZ30-0003Cw-Q7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Sep 2020 23:32:55 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:47020) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kKZ2w-0003Cg-EF for 43537@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Sep 2020 23:32:53 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:41705) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kKZ2o-0005aI-Vx; Mon, 21 Sep 2020 23:32:43 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kKZ2o-0005m6-5a; Mon, 21 Sep 2020 23:32:42 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87v9g7payk.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Mon, 21 Sep 2020 14:32:03 +0200) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:188656 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Yeah, I don't think this is generally possible. The variable in > question was obsoleted about a decade ago, which should be sufficient > time for people to adjust. Adding more code to Emacs to warn people > about things happening that far in the past would not be productive use > of our time. The event that causes these problems to happen _now_ was the deletion of the variable, which we did recently. Given that the problems that result are silent and mysterious, we should look for ways to help the people affected, not reasons to justify not doing so. One way would be to check, after loading the init files, whether that variable exists. If it does, pop up buffer to call users' attention to the problem, with advice. We could put that in Emacs 27.2, and remove it in Emacs 29. That is the fix that occurred to me. It is pretty easy. If someone finds a better fix, by all means let's use that. But there is no reason to even considered doing nothing about this. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)