From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#43323: Rename cua-mode to something better? Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 23:51:04 -0400 Message-ID: References: <83v9gkhkcw.fsf@gnu.org> <835z8kf73j.fsf@gnu.org> <83o8mbeayb.fsf@gnu.org> <37814b83-6041-a5ca-992a-9c7242426fd5@gmail.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27310"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: stefan@marxist.se, 43323@debbugs.gnu.org To: Sebastian Urban Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 14 05:52:12 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kHfXH-0006yV-By for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2020 05:52:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44360 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kHfXG-00033G-D5 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 23:52:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46822) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kHfX8-0002zi-HQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 23:52:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:40721) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kHfX8-0004cJ-5J for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 23:52:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kHfX8-0004wS-2K for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 23:52:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 03:52:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43323 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 43323-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43323.160005548518947 (code B ref 43323); Mon, 14 Sep 2020 03:52:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 43323) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Sep 2020 03:51:25 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52267 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kHfWX-0004vX-60 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 23:51:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39688) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kHfWT-0004vJ-I5 for 43323@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 23:51:24 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:44440) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kHfWO-0004UA-2Z; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 23:51:16 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kHfWC-0008Go-98; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 23:51:04 -0400 In-Reply-To: <37814b83-6041-a5ca-992a-9c7242426fd5@gmail.com> (message from Sebastian Urban on Sun, 13 Sep 2020 17:58:57 +0200) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:188026 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Then menu entry could be renamed to "Use Common Editing Bindings" or > "Use Common Bindings" with short description - "Use C-z/C-x/C-c/C-v > keys for undo/cut/copy/paste" - inside the tooltip. Instead of "Use common bindings", whose meaning is not obvious unless you've been told, I suggest calling it "undo/cut/copy/paste: Emacs" or "undo/cut/copy/paste: a la mode", depending on which one it would be switching to. Or just "undo/cut/copy/paste" if there is no need to indicate which one it would be switching to. Yuri Khan wrote: > The users we’re trying to help are already used to Redo being bound to > Ctrl+Shift+Z (because Redo is the inverse of Undo which is usually on > Ctrl+Z). It is a general Emacs convention taht Ctrl-Shift-LETTER is equivalent to Ctrl-LETTER. But since this would be an optional alternate set of bindings, there is no reason not to do it that way. Perhaps that one option would rebind C-Sh-Z along with C-z. HOWEVER, on ttys there is the danger that the user would have no way to suspend Emacs. It's not enough to define one, we have to inform these users of it and make sure they know it. Any ideas? -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)