From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#43323: Rename cua-mode to something better? Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 23:19:46 -0400 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="31139"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 43323@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 12 05:20:10 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kGw5B-00081C-TZ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 12 Sep 2020 05:20:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49272 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGw5A-0003EC-Vz for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 23:20:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58804) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGw54-0003E3-HS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 23:20:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:34339) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGw54-0000hM-8B for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 23:20:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kGw54-0003UV-31 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 23:20:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 03:20:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43323 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 43323-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43323.159988079513403 (code B ref 43323); Sat, 12 Sep 2020 03:20:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 43323) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Sep 2020 03:19:55 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45885 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kGw4x-0003U7-9H for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 23:19:55 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:54868) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kGw4u-0003Tt-Mp for 43323@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 23:19:53 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:54594) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGw4p-0000gd-2J; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 23:19:47 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kGw4o-00068e-9e; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 23:19:46 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Thu, 10 Sep 2020 17:41:18 -0700) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:187868 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I have only ever heard the term CUA in the context of Emacs. I imagine > that most new users, who is likely to be the target audience, will have > no earthly idea what it means. Only a very small subset of users will > be familiar enough with UI design standards to immediately recognize it. Based on this, it sounds like the practical issue that matters for us is not "support for CUA" but something else, some practical incompatibility. What do those users actually complain about or ask for? You may be right that there is no particular point in talking about "CUA" nowadays, and that the command names and menu items should be changed. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)