From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#41386: 28.0.50; Gnus nnimap OAuth 2.0 support Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 23:09:38 -0400 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="107574"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 41386@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org To: Thomas Fitzsimmons Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri May 22 05:10:12 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jby4Y-000Rqv-Td for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 22 May 2020 05:10:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42448 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jby4X-0000Fs-Vt for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 21 May 2020 23:10:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50548) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jby4Q-0000Di-C1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 21 May 2020 23:10:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:46196) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jby4Q-0004Q0-3A for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 21 May 2020 23:10:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jby4P-0003I1-UB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 21 May 2020 23:10:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 03:10:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 41386 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 41386-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B41386.159011699712628 (code B ref 41386); Fri, 22 May 2020 03:10:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 41386) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 May 2020 03:09:57 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57742 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jby4L-0003Hc-0G for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 May 2020 23:09:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:43094) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jby4K-0003HR-2w for 41386@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 May 2020 23:09:56 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:56111) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jby4E-0004Oc-TK; Thu, 21 May 2020 23:09:50 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jby42-0007jM-Ov; Thu, 21 May 2020 23:09:39 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Thomas Fitzsimmons on Thu, 21 May 2020 10:30:55 -0400) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:180733 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > OK, I'll try to help, but I don't know what Google or Gmail will do in > the future, in general, obviously. I don't expect you to practice precognition. But it may be possible to deduce something by putting their announcements together with other known facts. Maybe we could figure out questions to ask them. > Your question reminded me that Gmail provides "basic HTML view" which > does not require any Javascript whatsoever for sign-in or for the main > interface, and thus is fully useable with Emacs Web Wowser (eww). That is a significant fact. It means that using Gmail in the free world won't become entirely impossible. Thanks. So I modify the question: Will Gmail in the future permit access from the Free World to read mail with a free local MUA in any manner whatsoever? And there is another followup question: Is it possible to log in on basic HTML view passing via a proxy that will hide your actual location? It is possible that basic HTML view won't allow this. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)