From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#22564: Fundamental mode isn't fundamental enough. Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2016 13:33:39 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20160205125559.GC7727@acm.fritz.box> <20160206110601.6095.qmail@mail.muc.de> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1454870065 15285 80.91.229.3 (7 Feb 2016 18:34:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2016 18:34:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 22564@debbugs.gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Feb 07 19:34:08 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aSU9v-0000lC-TH for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 07 Feb 2016 19:34:08 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37082 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aSU9v-0004Lp-DW for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 07 Feb 2016 13:34:07 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52630) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aSU9q-0004JA-UD for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Feb 2016 13:34:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aSU9p-0004f9-V2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Feb 2016 13:34:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:57095) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aSU9p-0004f4-SF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Feb 2016 13:34:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aSU9p-0004rF-Ln for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Feb 2016 13:34:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2016 18:34:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22564 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 22564-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22564.145487003418660 (code B ref 22564); Sun, 07 Feb 2016 18:34:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 22564) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Feb 2016 18:33:54 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37451 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aSU9i-0004qu-3R for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 07 Feb 2016 13:33:54 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:33082) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aSU9g-0004qh-J0 for 22564@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 07 Feb 2016 13:33:52 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aSU9a-0004WK-LK for 22564@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 07 Feb 2016 13:33:47 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:39425) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aSU9T-0004Uv-Ub; Sun, 07 Feb 2016 13:33:39 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aSU9T-0002aS-5O; Sun, 07 Feb 2016 13:33:39 -0500 In-reply-to: <20160206110601.6095.qmail@mail.muc.de> (message from Alan Mackenzie on 6 Feb 2016 11:06:01 -0000) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:112643 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I think fundamental mode existed long before derived modes did. Fundamental mode has existed since 1984. The concept of derived modes came at least 10 years after that. What was always true is that other major modes obtain their effects by changing some per-buffer values away from the defaults that are in effect in Fundamental mode. To say > it shouldn't be used directly by users is a bit strange, IMAO. It is meant to be used by users. Creating a buffer puts it in Fundamental mode. Visiting a file which does not specify any mode, through its contents or its name, uses Fundamental mode. This has always been the case. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.