From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20499: [PROPOSED PATCH] C-x 8 shorthands for curved quotes, Euro, etc. Date: Sat, 09 May 2015 10:17:15 -0400 Message-ID: References: <1430701990-31993-1-git-send-email-eggert@cs.ucla.edu> <83vbg8s3nd.fsf@gnu.org> <87383cmgpk.fsf@violet.siamics.net> <83ioc7rqgy.fsf@gnu.org> <83r3qtr7r3.fsf@gnu.org> <83wq0jpql3.fsf@gnu.org> <83egmqp541.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1431181095 11453 80.91.229.3 (9 May 2015 14:18:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 9 May 2015 14:18:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ivan@siamics.net, 20499@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 09 16:18:09 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Yr5Zx-0006nd-2L for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 09 May 2015 16:18:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59423 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yr5Zw-00049z-D6 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 09 May 2015 10:18:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33127) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yr5Zs-00049r-2B for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 09 May 2015 10:18:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yr5Zq-0007Q7-Vb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 09 May 2015 10:18:04 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:57797) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yr5Zq-0007Q3-Rh for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 09 May 2015 10:18:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Yr5Zq-0006CM-KM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 09 May 2015 10:18:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 09 May 2015 14:18:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20499 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 20499-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20499.143118104023770 (code B ref 20499); Sat, 09 May 2015 14:18:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 20499) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 May 2015 14:17:20 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39539 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Yr5ZA-0006BK-7V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 May 2015 10:17:20 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:57850 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Yr5Z8-0006BC-Md for 20499@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 May 2015 10:17:19 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yr5Z5-0003Zh-RX; Sat, 09 May 2015 10:17:16 -0400 In-reply-to: <83egmqp541.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sat, 09 May 2015 10:44:30 +0300) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:102619 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > That is a lot less input than the other method, and is sort of usable, > > but inconvenient. I tried it in that very case. > > > > It includes Coptic characters as well as Greek; I don't know why. > I don't know either. If I type TAB after just "greek", then I see no > Coptic characters in completion candidates. What did you type before > asking for completion? I typed C-x 8 RET greek TAB TAB. All the NAMES that appear start with "Greek", but when I inserted GREEK CAPITAL LETTER HORI and examined it with C-u C-x =, it said name: COPTIC CAPITAL LETTER HORI old-name: GREEK CAPITAL LETTER HORI I didn't notice the old-name field the previous time. I suppose that explains why it was included in that completion table. Anyway that completion list is over 440 lines long, and not very useful. > > It also includes many punctuation characters, and letters with > > diacritics, that are in a different part of Unicode, and are not > > normal Greek letters. > This is simple Emacs completion at work: it brings you every character > whose name begins with "GREEK". Do you think I don't know that? _Why_ it does what it does is not the issue. The only pertinent point is that that it isn't a convenient way to do what I want to do. > As for letters with diacriticals, how would Emacs know that you don't > need those? That question is spurious. Remember, I don't want to enter a character name at all. I want to see all the glyphs. Someone else suggested that C-x 8 RET might be a convenient alternate method. I am explaining why it isn't. If I had the feature I want, I would see the segment including the usual Greek letters, and the far more numerous diacriticalized ones would not be there (because they come later in Unicode). > If you only want letters, you can give a more accurate spec to > completion: "C-x 8 RET greek*letter ". (The asterisk is a > wildcard character.) That still produces quite a long list, Indeed, it is still inconvenient. > I hope you now agree that the use case of searching for a character > with only some vague idea about its appearance and/or name needs some > pretty sophisticated (and overlapping) capabilities for allowing the > user to specify what she knows, before showing the possible > candidates. We seem to be totally miscommunicating. I DON'T WANT to search for them by name. I never asked for that. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.