From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20499: [PROPOSED PATCH] C-x 8 shorthands for curved quotes, Euro, etc. Date: Fri, 08 May 2015 14:46:58 -0400 Message-ID: References: <1430701990-31993-1-git-send-email-eggert@cs.ucla.edu> <83vbg8s3nd.fsf@gnu.org> <87383cmgpk.fsf@violet.siamics.net> <83ioc7rqgy.fsf@gnu.org> <83r3qtr7r3.fsf@gnu.org> <83wq0jpql3.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1431110898 27294 80.91.229.3 (8 May 2015 18:48:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 18:48:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ivan@siamics.net, 20499@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 08 20:48:12 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YqnJh-00082c-Es for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 May 2015 20:48:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57266 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YqnJg-00035B-NK for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 May 2015 14:48:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46238) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YqnJc-00034v-OJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 May 2015 14:48:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YqnJb-00089n-M5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 May 2015 14:48:04 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:57278) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YqnJb-00089V-Ix for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 May 2015 14:48:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YqnJb-0006h8-A9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 May 2015 14:48:03 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 08 May 2015 18:48:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20499 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 20499-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20499.143111082425661 (code B ref 20499); Fri, 08 May 2015 18:48:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at 20499) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 May 2015 18:47:04 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39019 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YqnId-0006fo-MF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 May 2015 14:47:04 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:58426 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YqnIZ-0006fC-Kc for 20499@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 May 2015 14:47:00 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YqnIY-0003BP-0N; Fri, 08 May 2015 14:46:58 -0400 In-reply-to: <83wq0jpql3.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Fri, 08 May 2015 08:48:24 +0300) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:102605 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > Are you kidding? Just to see 32 characters' glyphs > > I'd have to type 128 input characters. > No, you need to type much less. A codepoint, if you know it, is at > most 5 characters, I miscalculated. C-x 8 RET codepoint RET is 8 characters (or 9). Thus, to see 32 characters' glyphs that way, I'd need to type between 256 and 288 input characters. > and for name completion, typing something like > C-x 8 RET greek That is a lot less input than the other method, and is sort of usable, but inconvenient. I tried it in that very case. It includes Coptic characters as well as Greek; I don't know why. It also includes many punctuation characters, and letters with diacritics, that are in a different part of Unicode, and are not normal Greek letters. If I could see the glyphs of the area of Unicode which alpha is in, I could easily see the character I want. And when I want to enter some non-ASCII punctuator, if I could see the glyphs of that part of Unicode, it would be easy. I don't want to have to remember their official names. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.