From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20322: 25.0.50; indent-tabs-mode should default to nil Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 22:33:26 -0400 Message-ID: References: <861tjn3069.fsf@yandex.ru> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1429065262 1397 80.91.229.3 (15 Apr 2015 02:34:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 02:34:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 20322@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 15 04:34:12 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YiD9V-0004tx-2n for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 04:34:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58540 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YiD9U-0003Kc-09 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 22:34:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52449) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YiD9P-0003K5-NV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 22:34:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YiD9O-00076W-LN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 22:34:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:38538) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YiD9O-00076O-JE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 22:34:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YiD9O-0005Jx-Bi for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 22:34:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 02:34:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20322 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 20322-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20322.142906521620386 (code B ref 20322); Wed, 15 Apr 2015 02:34:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 20322) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Apr 2015 02:33:36 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56546 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YiD8x-0005Ij-Ak for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 22:33:35 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:46471 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YiD8v-0005IX-2D for 20322@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 22:33:33 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YiD8o-000318-H5; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 22:33:26 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Stefan Monnier on Mon, 13 Apr 2015 23:07:39 -0400) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:101545 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] Tabs make file smaller. I just did an experiment. In lread.c, M-x untabify changed 139702 characters into 155402 characters, which is 11% bigger. For subr.el, it was smaller: 200817 characters became 209939, only 4.5% bigger. However, files.el got 12% bigger. If most of a git repository is text from various versions of files, the repository is also likely to get around 10% bigger without tabs, and now you're talking about 30 meg more. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.