From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#18308: 24.4.50; Info viewer cannot follow menu entry for '(texinfo) @- @hyphenation' Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 15:44:35 -0400 Message-ID: References: <80wqa132j3.fsf@gmail.com> <83d2btav4x.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1408823115 14088 80.91.229.3 (23 Aug 2014 19:45:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 19:45:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Vincent.b.1@hotmail.fr, 18308@debbugs.gnu.org To: Gavin Smith Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 23 21:45:09 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XLHFM-0002ie-1h for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 21:45:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42091 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XLHFL-0008DW-LY for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 15:45:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46684) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XLHFH-0008BN-SG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 15:45:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XLHFG-0005Q3-SG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 15:45:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:43498) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XLHFG-0005Po-Oe for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 15:45:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XLHFF-0007SP-QB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 15:45:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 19:45:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 18308 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 18308-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B18308.140882308128613 (code B ref 18308); Sat, 23 Aug 2014 19:45:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 18308) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Aug 2014 19:44:41 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50441 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XLHEu-0007RR-8l for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 15:44:40 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:33806 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XLHEq-0007RD-QT for 18308@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 15:44:37 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XLHEp-0005Te-2b; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 15:44:35 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Gavin Smith on Fri, 22 Aug 2014 21:12:06 +0100) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:92626 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I think the real fix for this sort of thing is to develop > a replacement for the Info reader which uses HTML. > That's why I was enthusiastic about that project when it was announced. Somebody would have to define how HTML should be used for Texinfo manuals, e.g.: * Naming of HTML files for references between nodes and files * How indices should be expressed * What version of HTML, what constructs are allowed. * Where these files are to be stored in the filesystem That's true -- these tasks are part of the job. I don't see the point in writing a browser to read a dialect of HTML used for Texinfo manuals when there are already many web browsers out there. This was discussed a few weeks ago. Ordinary browsers operating on HTML lack some of the features of Info. It is not easy to get those features out of a web browser just by designing the HTML. We need to build them onto the ordinary browser facilities. Are there reasons to use HTML other than compatiblity? 1. It would interoperate with web browsers. They would not provide the added commands/features of Info, but they would be able to display the manual and you could navigate in it. 2. HTML provides lots of markup and display facilities that Info lacks. We could define a new format of our own, but that would be gratuitous incompatibility -- why not use HTML? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.