From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#16155: 24.3.50; Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 22:26:46 -0500 Message-ID: References: <749544c4-49e7-462f-b64c-26725cf35a59@default> <13d75185-288f-4b71-bb80-e5af13a7f8c6@default> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1387855622 14272 80.91.229.3 (24 Dec 2013 03:27:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 03:27:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: gnu-emacs-bug@moderators.isc.org, josh@foxtail.org, acm@muc.de To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 24 04:27:08 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VvIeB-0001rR-Mo for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 04:27:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36406 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VvIeB-0005f3-9C for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 22:27:07 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43808) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VvIe7-0005ex-SJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 22:27:04 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VvIe6-0006Bc-Mu for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 22:27:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:51469) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VvIe6-0006BY-Ip for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 22:27:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VvIe6-0001oZ-A3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 22:27:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 03:27:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16155 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.13878556166961 (code B ref -1); Tue, 24 Dec 2013 03:27:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Dec 2013 03:26:56 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37254 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VvIe0-0001oD-8G for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 22:26:56 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:42010) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VvIdx-0001nz-Hj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 22:26:53 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VvIdw-000691-EA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 22:26:53 -0500 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:49484) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VvIdw-00068v-Au for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 22:26:52 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43705) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VvIdv-0005eq-EZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 22:26:52 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VvIdu-00067s-LC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 22:26:51 -0500 Original-Received: from four.schnuerpel.eu ([2a01:4f8:120:9382::145]:45879) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VvIdu-00067Y-F5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 22:26:50 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [IPv6:2001:4830:134:3::e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by four.schnuerpel.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5EFD6803 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 04:26:49 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VvIdq-0006lQ-E2; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 22:26:46 -0500 In-reply-to: (message from Stefan Monnier on Sun, 22 Dec 2013 22:07:26 -0500) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). 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X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:82479 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] My current decision is largely based on the fact that most/all major modes providing some kind of "electric indent" behavior have traditionally enabled it by default, and very few users have complained about it, even when it was difficult to disable. Are those programming modes? Maybe you're right for programming modes, but you made the change for Text modes too. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.