From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#12621: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Windows 7 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:46:04 -0500 Message-ID: References: <1355394162.15171.YahooMailNeo@web171306.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <83ip85omkv.fsf@gnu.org> <1355424070.10437.YahooMailNeo@web171305.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <82hanognh8.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <83obhvn31t.fsf@gnu.org> <50CCE17A.3040402@dancol.org> <87ehipxwmr.fsf@yandex.ru> <50CE8141.10205@dancol.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1355788010 20779 80.91.229.3 (17 Dec 2012 23:46:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 23:46:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org, andrewjmoreton@gmail.com, dgutov@yandex.ru To: Daniel Colascione Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 18 00:47:04 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TkkOl-000755-GA for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2012 00:47:03 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43613 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TkkOY-0004eO-4z for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:46:50 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59312) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TkkOU-0004e4-Lj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:46:48 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TkkOT-0005sV-CV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:46:46 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:37499) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TkkOT-0005sK-AB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:46:45 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkkPi-0000Vp-8A for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:48:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 23:48:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.13557880471899 (code B ref 12621); Mon, 17 Dec 2012 23:48:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Dec 2012 23:47:27 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47742 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkkP7-0000UY-9i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:47:25 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:54160) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkkP4-0000UL-IP for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:47:23 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TkkNo-0002Hj-JF; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:46:04 -0500 In-reply-to: <50CE8141.10205@dancol.org> (message from Daniel Colascione on Sun, 16 Dec 2012 18:19:45 -0800) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:68680 Archived-At: That said, Chrome also transmits usage statistics and (in its default configuration) updates itself silently. rms, I don't see how you can claim Windows contains "backdoors" and "spyware" without similarly accusing Chrome. I do talk about this malicious functionality of Chrome sometimes in my speeches. I did not bring it up here because the topic was Windows. I prefer to live in a world where the vast majority of programs I use are not morally reprehensible. Me too, and that's part of what we are fighting for. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call