From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#9598: 24.0.50; completion goes too far Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 21:00:28 -0400 Message-ID: References: <5D4CCB828585430D8AB4FD61EAEAC5C0@us.oracle.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1316998893 5547 80.91.229.12 (26 Sep 2011 01:01:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 01:01:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 9598@debbugs.gnu.org To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 26 03:01:28 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R7zZY-0007ee-C1 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 03:01:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38388 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R7zZX-00083D-VE for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 25 Sep 2011 21:01:27 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:59012) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R7zZV-0007yn-6g for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Sep 2011 21:01:26 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R7zZU-0004yn-23 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Sep 2011 21:01:25 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:48092) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R7zZT-0004yd-Vb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Sep 2011 21:01:24 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R7za7-0006tg-7b for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Sep 2011 21:02:03 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 01:02:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9598 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 9598-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9598.131699887426424 (code B ref 9598); Mon, 26 Sep 2011 01:02:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at 9598) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Sep 2011 01:01:14 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R7zZK-0006s9-Dr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Sep 2011 21:01:14 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R7zZG-0006s0-1O for 9598@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Sep 2011 21:01:11 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R7zYa-0004No-FH; Sun, 25 Sep 2011 21:00:29 -0400 In-reply-to: <5D4CCB828585430D8AB4FD61EAEAC5C0@us.oracle.com> (drew.adams@ORACLE.COM) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 21:02:03 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:51847 Archived-At: And we have been over this before[*]. People, including you, have pointed out the user-oriented problems with this UI design, but Stefan really wants it this way. So you and other users will continue to be surprised. I think we should poll the users about this question. That way we can resolve the disagreement based on something more objective. IOW, let users choose at completion time which completion style(s) to use, on demand. Each time they change methods they can complete anew and find out whether there are matches using that method. This might be too complicated an interface to be good to use. But you could try implementing it and we could judge based on experience. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use free telephony http://directory.fsf.org/category/tel/