From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#8368: 24.0.50; "temp" means "help" - rename or at least document Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 14:41:09 -0400 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1315766522 14936 80.91.229.12 (11 Sep 2011 18:42:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 18:42:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 8368@debbugs.gnu.org To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 11 20:41:56 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R2oyZ-0002fz-JQ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 20:41:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36402 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R2oyZ-0008JB-4l for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 14:41:55 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:58866) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R2oyU-00089b-KJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 14:41:51 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R2oyT-0005sk-1F for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 14:41:50 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:33612) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R2oyS-0005sR-TA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 14:41:48 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R2p2b-0000am-9D; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 14:46:05 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 18:46:05 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 8368 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 8368-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B8368.13157667451292 (code B ref 8368); Sun, 11 Sep 2011 18:46:05 +0000 Original-Received: (at 8368) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Sep 2011 18:45:45 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R2p2G-0000KP-DL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 14:45:45 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R2p1z-0000Hr-3P for 8368@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 14:45:32 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R2oxp-0000SH-FG; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 14:41:09 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen on Sun, 11 Sep 2011 05:45:21 +0200) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 14:46:05 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:50959 Archived-At: > Richard, why is `help-mode-setup' run in absolutely all > `with-output-to-temp-buffer' buffers? This seems rather un-optimal, > since that macro is used for many other things than showing help > buffers. I think they were initially set up in Fundamental mode. Then, once Help mode existed, it was the right thing for most of these buffers, so it was useful to put them in Help mode. But there was no way to make that optional without changing all the callers. There are other ways to handle this, but just deleting that code would have bad results: most of these buffers would end up in Fundamental mode. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use free telephony http://directory.fsf.org/category/tel/