* bug#8681: 23.3; (gnus-face-from-file ...) bug in Gnus v5.13 on GNU Emacs 23.3.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) on Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 3
@ 2011-05-17 11:22 Benjamin L. Russell
2011-05-17 19:27 ` Glenn Morris
` (2 more replies)
0 siblings, 3 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Benjamin L. Russell @ 2011-05-17 11:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 8681
For some reason, now Gnus v5.13 in GNU Emacs 23.3.1
(i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) on Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 3,
refuses to invoke the (gnus-face-from-file ...) function correctly in
~/.gnus.el.
The following code in my ~/.gnus.el file apparently fails at file
conversion of a .jpg file to a face file:
(setq gnus-posting-styles
'((".*"
(name "Benjamin L. Russell")
("Face"
(gnus-face-from-file "~/butterflyLang.jpg")
))))
Strangely, the following code does work at the same task:
(setq gnus-posting-styles
'((".*"
(name "Benjamin L. Russell")
("Face"
(gnus-face-from-file "~/butterflyLang.jpg")
"iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAHlBMVEUYFxcCBg6kpaUmNIEp
icj////9/f0lZnglKUb//v47VH4JAAACZ0lEQVQ4jXWTwW6jMBCG7URqODKs1HJMsm3S3tJ1
JXJurXKvBCtuibU44dYUBDnCskp8rgRS33bHEJJ0tfXBtubz/GPPeIj3xSBfg1qM5ceZJZDj
cajBCog9ObOLjUl3GoyIUsaRBPWmVMSqECwB7LkVduC2XwBY2mNtlrkNk6oFghb2vLjUHu9A
VAFW6CMKgyG655BqDx+MHAAmPqpFkqJwDjcNyBWbmbSHwI/WQG02L5rrBiND5ZQZEQK5YcRQ
yo6alw9LxhS7TyPPF3icMTaoGrC0S8XYvCcruejjGVVYB8CaYUgPlRy97bVJXAJqOfFsEok+
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wSSZq4GbU7BOoAATtbZqoJUA7jrwDvBNq2+nOL8C7A4gwKr/QdPjdIXzE9UVb8EIHLTw5+kv
vcS0A95SC3E+GQu9JPdngCUaCKkBm1lVJ2WX2hIK/1pLFVfRAWzAiTF2KH0MEsdgH1MCDLWe
q9pbXbsxK9IuRo0ldB5TL/DEdczmpwe+ALq83egjPGZUf7cTcDItXKPHWUr8EZIfzX//jg7N
pdq0LwBUrwELA3sgOPbgCj/1ZZPstd555x5Xu7Y9NtDmsAW308JqhL16af5+O4GJL6xDqy3S
aH0M7qde3XWnCL337rrB6sY7H/WxgqPPwO91YBh+AsG2y678B8jjA/83vgR/AXSoVPVrTcNy
AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC"
))))
The following procedure reproduces this bug:
1. Invoke Emacs in Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 3, by
double-clicking on C:\emacs\emacs-23.3\bin\runemacs.exe.
2. Within Emacs, type the following command:
> M-x gnus RET
3. Within Gnus, subscribe (if not already subscribed) to the news.test
newsgroup.
4. Within Gnus, type the following command to post a new message:
> a
5. Compose a test message, with subject, say, "test," and subject body,
say "test."
6. Send the message with the following command:
> C-c C-c
7. After a few seconds, refresh the newsgroup with the following
command:
> / N
8. Read the test message just posted. The message will be missing the
face header, which should be an icon placed immediately to the left of
the sender name in the "From" field of the message.
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<down> <down> <down> <down> C-c C-c <escape> < C-c
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C-SPC <escape> > <escape> w <help-echo> <help-echo>
<help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo>
<menu-bar> <help-menu> <send-emacs-bug-report>
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* bug#8681: 23.3; (gnus-face-from-file ...) bug in Gnus v5.13 on GNU Emacs 23.3.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) on Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 3
2011-05-17 11:22 bug#8681: 23.3; (gnus-face-from-file ...) bug in Gnus v5.13 on GNU Emacs 23.3.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) on Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 3 Benjamin L. Russell
@ 2011-05-17 19:27 ` Glenn Morris
2011-05-17 19:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <iui1s9$ebf$2@quimby.gnus.org>
[not found] ` <mailman.772.1309455972.785.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Glenn Morris @ 2011-05-17 19:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Benjamin L. Russell; +Cc: 8681
Benjamin L. Russell wrote:
> For some reason, now Gnus v5.13 in GNU Emacs 23.3.1
> (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) on Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 3,
> refuses to invoke the (gnus-face-from-file ...) function correctly in
> ~/.gnus.el.
The Gnus manual says:
`gnus-face-from-file' takes a JPEG file as the parameter, and then
converts the file to Face format by using the
`gnus-convert-image-to-face-command' shell command.
gnus-convert-image-to-face-command has the default value:
"convert -scale 48x48! %s -colors %d png:-"
I know nothing about MS Windows, but I'd be surprised if this works there.
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* bug#8681: 23.3; (gnus-face-from-file ...) bug in Gnus v5.13 on GNU Emacs 23.3.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) on Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 3
2011-05-17 19:27 ` Glenn Morris
@ 2011-05-17 19:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-17 19:38 ` Glenn Morris
0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2011-05-17 19:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Glenn Morris; +Cc: DekuDekuplex, 8681
> From: Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org>
> Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 15:27:05 -0400
> Cc: 8681@debbugs.gnu.org
>
> "convert -scale 48x48! %s -colors %d png:-"
>
> I know nothing about MS Windows, but I'd be surprised if this works there.
Even if Imagemagick is installed?
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* bug#8681: 23.3; (gnus-face-from-file ...) bug in Gnus v5.13 on GNU Emacs 23.3.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) on Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 3
2011-05-17 19:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2011-05-17 19:38 ` Glenn Morris
2011-05-18 3:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Glenn Morris @ 2011-05-17 19:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: DekuDekuplex, 8681
Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> Even if Imagemagick is installed?
You tell me. Does shell-command-to-string work on MS Windows?
Does it return data to stdout? I have no idea...
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* bug#8681: 23.3; (gnus-face-from-file ...) bug in Gnus v5.13 on GNU Emacs 23.3.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) on Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 3
2011-05-17 19:38 ` Glenn Morris
@ 2011-05-18 3:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-18 3:18 ` Glenn Morris
0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2011-05-18 3:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Glenn Morris; +Cc: DekuDekuplex, 8681
> From: Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org>
> Cc: DekuDekuplex@Yahoo.com, 8681@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 15:38:26 -0400
>
> Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>
> > Even if Imagemagick is installed?
>
> You tell me. Does shell-command-to-string work on MS Windows?
Yes, of course.
> Does it return data to stdout?
Who does? the `convert' command or shell-command-to-string? I don't
think I understand the question.
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* bug#8681: 23.3; (gnus-face-from-file ...) bug in Gnus v5.13 on GNU Emacs 23.3.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) on Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 3
2011-05-18 3:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2011-05-18 3:18 ` Glenn Morris
2011-05-18 6:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Glenn Morris @ 2011-05-18 3:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: DekuDekuplex, 8681
Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> Who does? the `convert' command or shell-command-to-string? I don't
> think I understand the question.
I think you can ignore me. I guess I meant: does MS Windows have a
/bin/sh equivalent? Does it have a stdout and stderr, and can "convert"
be called from this shell and send its output to stdout? Does it work
out of the box or does it need to be configured?
(No need to answer these questions for my sake.)
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* bug#8681: 23.3; (gnus-face-from-file ...) bug in Gnus v5.13 on GNU Emacs 23.3.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) on Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 3
2011-05-18 3:18 ` Glenn Morris
@ 2011-05-18 6:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-18 10:56 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-06-30 1:19 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 2 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2011-05-18 6:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Glenn Morris; +Cc: DekuDekuplex, 8681
> From: Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org>
> Cc: DekuDekuplex@Yahoo.com, 8681@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 23:18:16 -0400
>
> Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>
> I guess I meant: does MS Windows have a
> /bin/sh equivalent? Does it have a stdout and stderr, and can "convert"
> be called from this shell and send its output to stdout?
Yes, yes, and yes. (Even MS-DOS has these features.)
> Does it work out of the box or does it need to be configured?
It works out of the box.
> (No need to answer these questions for my sake.)
I think it's important that you know these factoids.
My guess is that the OP doesn't have Imagemagick installed, and so
convert.exe either is not on PATH or is some other program, not the
one expected by gnus-face-from-file.
Benjamin, what does the following command produce, if you type it at
the command prompt?
convert --version
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* bug#8681: 23.3; (gnus-face-from-file ...) bug in Gnus v5.13 on GNU Emacs 23.3.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) on Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 3
2011-05-18 6:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2011-05-18 10:56 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-06-30 1:19 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1 sibling, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Juanma Barranquero @ 2011-05-18 10:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: DekuDekuplex, 8681
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 08:46, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
> My guess is that the OP doesn't have Imagemagick installed, and so
> convert.exe either is not on PATH or is some other program, not the
> one expected by gnus-face-from-file.
Likely the Microsoft-supplied tool to convert a FAT volume into a NTFS one...
Juanma
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* bug#8681: 23.3; (gnus-face-from-file ...) bug in Gnus v5.13 on GNU Emacs 23.3.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) on Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 3
2011-05-18 6:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-18 10:56 ` Juanma Barranquero
@ 2011-06-30 1:19 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1 sibling, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2011-06-30 1:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: DekuDekuplex, 8681-close
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> My guess is that the OP doesn't have Imagemagick installed, and so
> convert.exe either is not on PATH or is some other program, not the
> one expected by gnus-face-from-file.
Yup. So I don't think this is a bug in Gnus.
And the built-in ImageMagick functions (which it could be using,
theoretically) don't really allow you to do stuff like that, because it
doesn't expose the required interface. It's more display-oriented.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/
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[not found] <1309442200.36116.YahooMailClassic@web32002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
@ 2011-06-30 14:12 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-30 14:14 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-30 14:32 ` Benjamin L. Russell
0 siblings, 2 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2011-06-30 14:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Benjamin L. Russell; +Cc: 8681
"Benjamin L. Russell" <dekudekuplex@yahoo.com> writes:
> FYI, I *do* have Imagemagick installed; I thought that I had noted
> this in a reply in that thread. Therefore, it's certainly not a bug
> on my part.
Sorry; I missed that part.
So what does
(shell-command "convert -scale 48x48! c:/some/image.jpg -colors %d png:-")
eval to for you?
>> And the built-in ImageMagick functions (which it could be using,
>> theoretically) don't really allow you to do stuff like that, because
>> it doesn't expose the required interface. It's more
>> display-oriented.
>
> Then this is a problem with the built-in ImageMagick functions, which
> should be changed to allow me to do stuff like that.
Yes. It sounds like a nice project for someone for Emacs 25. :-)
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/
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* bug#8681: 23.3; (gnus-face-from-file ...) bug in Gnus v5.13 on GNU Emacs 23.3.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) on Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 3
2011-06-30 14:12 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 2011-06-30 14:14 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-30 14:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-30 14:39 ` Benjamin L. Russell
2011-06-30 14:32 ` Benjamin L. Russell
1 sibling, 2 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2011-06-30 14:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Benjamin L. Russell; +Cc: bugs, 8681
Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
> (shell-command "convert -scale 48x48! c:/some/image.jpg -colors %d png:-")
>
> eval to for you?
That should be:
(shell-command "convert -scale 48x48! c:/some/image.jpg -colors 10 png:-")
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/
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* bug#8681: 23.3; (gnus-face-from-file ...) bug in Gnus v5.13 on GNU Emacs 23.3.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) on Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 3
2011-06-30 14:14 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 2011-06-30 14:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-30 14:45 ` Benjamin L. Russell
2011-06-30 14:39 ` Benjamin L. Russell
1 sibling, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2011-06-30 14:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 8681; +Cc: dekudekuplex
> From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
> Cc: bugs@gnus.org
> Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, 8681@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 16:14:27 +0200
>
> (shell-command "convert -scale 48x48! c:/some/image.jpg -colors 10 png:-")
I would rather suggest to start with this:
M-: (executable-find "convert") RET
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* bug#8681: 23.3; (gnus-face-from-file ...) bug in Gnus v5.13 on GNU Emacs 23.3.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) on Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 3
2011-06-30 14:12 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-30 14:14 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 2011-06-30 14:32 ` Benjamin L. Russell
1 sibling, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Benjamin L. Russell @ 2011-06-30 14:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: 8681
> So what does
>
> (shell-command "convert -scale 48x48! c:/some/image.jpg
> -colors %d png:-")
>
> eval to for you?
It evaluated to a PNG file (for some reason, I am unable to copy-and-paste the contents from Emacs to this application, perhaps because the buffer comprises a PNG file).
>
> >> And the built-in ImageMagick functions (which it
> could be using,
> >> theoretically) don't really allow you to do stuff
> like that, because
> >> it doesn't expose the required interface.
> It's more
> >> display-oriented.
> >
> > Then this is a problem with the built-in ImageMagick
> functions, which
> > should be changed to allow me to do stuff like that.
>
> Yes. It sounds like a nice project for someone for
> Emacs 25. :-)
Good luck; may the Force be with you! ;-)
-- Benjamin L. Russell
--- On Thu, 6/30/11, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> wrote:
> From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
> Subject: Re: bug#8681: 23.3; (gnus-face-from-file ...) bug in Gnus v5.13 on GNU Emacs 23.3.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) on Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 3
> To: "Benjamin L. Russell" <dekudekuplex@yahoo.com>
> Cc: "Eli Zaretskii" <eliz@gnu.org>, "Glenn Morris" <rgm@gnu.org>, 8681@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Thursday, June 30, 2011, 11:12 PM
> "Benjamin L. Russell" <dekudekuplex@yahoo.com>
> writes:
>
> > FYI, I *do* have Imagemagick installed; I thought that
> I had noted
> > this in a reply in that thread. Therefore, it's
> certainly not a bug
> > on my part.
>
> Sorry; I missed that part.
>
> So what does
>
> (shell-command "convert -scale 48x48! c:/some/image.jpg
> -colors %d png:-")
>
> eval to for you?
>
> >> And the built-in ImageMagick functions (which it
> could be using,
> >> theoretically) don't really allow you to do stuff
> like that, because
> >> it doesn't expose the required interface.
> It's more
> >> display-oriented.
> >
> > Then this is a problem with the built-in ImageMagick
> functions, which
> > should be changed to allow me to do stuff like that.
>
> Yes. It sounds like a nice project for someone for
> Emacs 25. :-)
>
> --
> (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
> bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/
>
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* bug#8681: 23.3; (gnus-face-from-file ...) bug in Gnus v5.13 on GNU Emacs 23.3.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) on Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 3
2011-06-30 14:14 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-30 14:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2011-06-30 14:39 ` Benjamin L. Russell
1 sibling, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Benjamin L. Russell @ 2011-06-30 14:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 8681
> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
> writes:
>
> > (shell-command "convert -scale 48x48!
> c:/some/image.jpg -colors %d png:-")
> >
> > eval to for you?
>
> That should be:
>
> (shell-command "convert -scale 48x48! c:/some/image.jpg
> -colors 10 png:-")
I had to send another response because I didn't see your correction until after I had sent the first reply; I'm rushing to meet a deadline in 14.5 hours.
Same evaluation: another PNG file.
-- Benjamin L. Russell
--- On Thu, 6/30/11, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> wrote:
> From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
> Subject: Re: bug#8681: 23.3; (gnus-face-from-file ...) bug in Gnus v5.13 on GNU Emacs 23.3.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) on Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 3
> To: "Benjamin L. Russell" <dekudekuplex@yahoo.com>
> Cc: bugs@gnus.org, "Glenn Morris" <rgm@gnu.org>, "Eli Zaretskii" <eliz@gnu.org>, 8681@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Thursday, June 30, 2011, 11:14 PM
> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
> writes:
>
> > (shell-command "convert -scale 48x48!
> c:/some/image.jpg -colors %d png:-")
> >
> > eval to for you?
>
> That should be:
>
> (shell-command "convert -scale 48x48! c:/some/image.jpg
> -colors 10 png:-")
>
> --
> (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
> bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/
>
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* bug#8681: 23.3; (gnus-face-from-file ...) bug in Gnus v5.13 on GNU Emacs 23.3.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) on Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 3
2011-06-30 14:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2011-06-30 14:45 ` Benjamin L. Russell
0 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Benjamin L. Russell @ 2011-06-30 14:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 8681, eliz
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> I would rather suggest to start with this:
>
> M-: (executable-find "convert") RET
"c:/program files/imagemagick-6.2.8-q16/convert.exe"
-- Benjamin L. Russell
--- On Thu, 6/30/11, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
> Subject: Re: bug#8681: 23.3; (gnus-face-from-file ...) bug in Gnus v5.13 on GNU Emacs 23.3.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) on Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 3
> To: bugs@gnus.org
> Cc: dekudekuplex@yahoo.com, bugs@gnus.org, rgm@gnu.org, 8681@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Thursday, June 30, 2011, 11:23 PM
> > From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
> <larsi@gnus.org>
> > Cc: bugs@gnus.org
> > Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org>,
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
> 8681@debbugs.gnu.org
> > Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 16:14:27 +0200
> >
> > (shell-command "convert -scale 48x48!
> c:/some/image.jpg -colors 10 png:-")
>
> I would rather suggest to start with this:
>
> M-: (executable-find "convert") RET
>
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* bug#8681: 23.3; (gnus-face-from-file ...) bug in Gnus v5.13 on GNU Emacs 23.3.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) on Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 3
[not found] ` <iui1s9$ebf$2@quimby.gnus.org>
@ 2011-06-30 16:37 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-30 17:45 ` Benjamin L. Russell
0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2011-06-30 16:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Benjamin L. Russell; +Cc: 8681, bugs
"Benjamin L. Russell" <dekudekuplex@yahoo.com> writes:
>> (shell-command "convert -scale 48x48! c:/some/image.jpg
>> -colors 10 png:-")
>
> I had to send another response because I didn't see your correction
> until after I had sent the first reply; I'm rushing to meet a deadline
> in 14.5 hours.
>
> Same evaluation: another PNG file.
Could you eval this?
(gnus-shell-command-to-string
"convert -scale 48x48! c:/some/image.jpg -colors 10 png:-")
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/
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* bug#8681: 23.3; (gnus-face-from-file ...) bug in Gnus v5.13 on GNU Emacs 23.3.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) on Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 3
2011-06-30 16:37 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 2011-06-30 17:45 ` Benjamin L. Russell
0 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Benjamin L. Russell @ 2011-06-30 17:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 8681
Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> wrote:
> Could you eval this?
>
> (gnus-shell-command-to-string
> "convert -scale 48x48! c:/some/image.jpg -colors 10
> png:-")
This is the output from Emacs:
----- output begins immediately after this line -----
Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-function gnus-shell-command-to-string)
(gnus-shell-command-to-string "convert -scale 48x48! c:/butterflyLang.jpg -colors 10 png:-")
eval((gnus-shell-command-to-string "convert -scale 48x48! c:/butterflyLang.jpg -colors 10 png:-"))
eval-expression((gnus-shell-command-to-string "convert -scale 48x48! c:/butterflyLang.jpg -colors 10 png:-") nil)
call-interactively(eval-expression nil nil)
----- output ends immediately before this line -----
-- Benjamin L. Russell
--- On Fri, 7/1/11, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> wrote:
> From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
> Subject: Re: bug#8681: 23.3; (gnus-face-from-file ...) bug in Gnus v5.13 on GNU Emacs 23.3.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) on Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 3
> To: "Benjamin L. Russell" <dekudekuplex@yahoo.com>
> Cc: bugs@gnus.org, 8681@debbugs.gnu.org, rgm@gnu.org, eliz@gnu.org
> Date: Friday, July 1, 2011, 1:37 AM
> "Benjamin L. Russell" <dekudekuplex@yahoo.com>
> writes:
>
> >> (shell-command "convert -scale 48x48!
> c:/some/image.jpg
> >> -colors 10 png:-")
> >
> > I had to send another response because I didn't see
> your correction
> > until after I had sent the first reply; I'm rushing to
> meet a deadline
> > in 14.5 hours.
> >
> > Same evaluation: another PNG file.
>
> Could you eval this?
>
> (gnus-shell-command-to-string
> "convert -scale 48x48! c:/some/image.jpg -colors 10
> png:-")
>
> --
> (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
> bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/
>
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* bug#8681: 23.3; (gnus-face-from-file ...) bug in Gnus v5.13 on GNU Emacs 23.3.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) on Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 3
[not found] ` <mailman.772.1309455972.785.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
@ 2011-06-30 18:50 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-30 19:59 ` Benjamin L. Russell
0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2011-06-30 18:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Benjamin L. Russell; +Cc: 8681
"Benjamin L. Russell" <dekudekuplex@yahoo.com> writes:
> Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-function gnus-shell-command-to-string)
You need to start Gnus first started first to use this stuff.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/
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* bug#8681: 23.3; (gnus-face-from-file ...) bug in Gnus v5.13 on GNU Emacs 23.3.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) on Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 3
2011-06-30 18:50 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 2011-06-30 19:59 ` Benjamin L. Russell
2011-06-30 20:04 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Benjamin L. Russell @ 2011-06-30 19:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: 8681
Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> wrote:
> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> wrote:
>
> > Could you eval this?
> >
> > (gnus-shell-command-to-string
> > "convert -scale 48x48! c:/some/image.jpg -colors 10
> > png:-")
>
> This is the output from Emacs:
>
> ----- output begins immediately after this line -----
> Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-function gnus-shell-command-to-string)
> (gnus-shell-command-to-string "convert -scale 48x48! c:/butterflyLang.jpg -colors 10 png:-")
> eval((gnus-shell-command-to-string "convert -scale 48x48! c:/butterflyLang.jpg -colors 10 png:-"))
> eval-expression((gnus-shell-command-to-string "convert -scale 48x48! c:/butterflyLang.jpg -colors 10 png:-") nil)
> call-interactively(eval-expression nil nil)
> ----- output ends immediately before this line -----
>
> > Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-function
> gnus-shell-command-to-string)
>
> You need to start Gnus first started first to use this
> stuff.
After starting Gnus, this is the output that I received:
----- output begins immediately after this line -----
Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-function gnus-shell-command-to-string)
(gnus-shell-command-to-string "convert -scale 48x48! c:/butterflyLang.jpg -colors 10 png:-")
eval((gnus-shell-command-to-string "convert -scale 48x48! c:/butterflyLang.jpg -colors 10 png:-"))
eval-expression((gnus-shell-command-to-string "convert -scale 48x48! c:/butterflyLang.jpg -colors 10 png:-") nil)
call-interactively(eval-expression nil nil)
----- output ends immediately before this line -----
Starting Gnus first doesn't seem to have changed the behavior.
-- Benjamin L. Russell
"Benjamin L. Russell" <dekudekuplex@yahoo.com> writes:
>> (shell-command "convert -scale 48x48! c:/some/image.jpg
>> -colors 10 png:-")
>
> I had to send another response because I didn't see your correction
> until after I had sent the first reply; I'm rushing to meet a deadline
> in 14.5 hours.
>
> Same evaluation: another PNG file.
Could you eval this?
(gnus-shell-command-to-string
"convert -scale 48x48! c:/some/image.jpg -colors 10 png:-")
--- On Fri, 7/1/11, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <lmi@gnus.org> wrote:
> From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <lmi@gnus.org>
> Subject: Re: bug#8681: 23.3; (gnus-face-from-file ...) bug in Gnus v5.13 on GNU Emacs 23.3.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) on Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 3
> To: "Benjamin L. Russell" <dekudekuplex@yahoo.com>
> Cc: 8681@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Friday, July 1, 2011, 3:50 AM
> "Benjamin L. Russell" <dekudekuplex@yahoo.com>
> writes:
>
> > Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-function
> gnus-shell-command-to-string)
>
> You need to start Gnus first started first to use this
> stuff.
>
> --
> (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
> bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/
>
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* bug#8681: 23.3; (gnus-face-from-file ...) bug in Gnus v5.13 on GNU Emacs 23.3.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) on Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 3
2011-06-30 19:59 ` Benjamin L. Russell
@ 2011-06-30 20:04 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-30 20:45 ` Benjamin L. Russell
0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2011-06-30 20:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Benjamin L. Russell; +Cc: 8681
"Benjamin L. Russell" <dekudekuplex@yahoo.com> writes:
> After starting Gnus, this is the output that I received:
>
> ----- output begins immediately after this line -----
> Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-function gnus-shell-command-to-string)
> (gnus-shell-command-to-string "convert -scale 48x48!
Say
(require 'gnus-fun)
first.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/
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* bug#8681: 23.3; (gnus-face-from-file ...) bug in Gnus v5.13 on GNU Emacs 23.3.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) on Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 3
2011-06-30 20:04 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 2011-06-30 20:45 ` Benjamin L. Russell
2011-06-30 20:59 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Benjamin L. Russell @ 2011-06-30 20:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: 8681
Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
> "Benjamin L. Russell" <dekudekuplex@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> > > Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Could you eval this?
> > > >
> > > > (gnus-shell-command-to-string
> > > > "convert -scale 48x48! c:/some/image.jpg -colors
> > 10
> > > > png:-")
> > >
> > > This is the output from Emacs:
> > >
> > > ----- output begins immediately after this line -----
> > > Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-function
> > gnus-shell-command-to-string)
> > > (gnus-shell-command-to-string
> > "convert -scale 48x48! c:/butterflyLang.jpg -colors 10
> > png:-")
> > > eval((gnus-shell-command-to-string
> > "convert -scale 48x48! c:/butterflyLang.jpg -colors 10
> > png:-"))
> > > eval-expression((gnus-shell-command-to-string
> > "convert -scale 48x48! c:/butterflyLang.jpg -colors 10
> > png:-") nil)
> > > call-interactively(eval-expression
> > nil nil)
> > > ----- output ends immediately before this line -----
> > >
> > > > Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-function
> > > gnus-shell-command-to-string)
> > >
> > > You need to start Gnus first started first to use
> > this
> > > stuff.
> >
> > After starting Gnus, this is the output that I received:
> >
> > ----- output begins immediately after this line -----
> > Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-function
> > gnus-shell-command-to-string)
> > (gnus-shell-command-to-string "convert -scale 48x48!
> > c:/butterflyLang.jpg -colors 10 png:-")
> > eval((gnus-shell-command-to-string "convert -scale
> > 48x48! c:/butterflyLang.jpg -colors 10 png:-"))
> > eval-expression((gnus-shell-command-to-string
> > "convert -scale 48x48! c:/butterflyLang.jpg -colors 10
> > png:-") nil)
> > call-interactively(eval-expression nil nil)
> > ----- output ends immediately before this line -----
> >
> > Starting Gnus first doesn't seem to have changed the
> > behavior.
>
> Say
>
> (require 'gnus-fun)
>
> first.
Okay; that resulted in a PNG file.
-- Benjamin L. Russell
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* bug#8681: 23.3; (gnus-face-from-file ...) bug in Gnus v5.13 on GNU Emacs 23.3.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) on Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 3
2011-06-30 20:45 ` Benjamin L. Russell
@ 2011-06-30 20:59 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-07-01 5:52 ` Benjamin L. Russell
0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2011-06-30 20:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Benjamin L. Russell; +Cc: 8681
"Benjamin L. Russell" <dekudekuplex@yahoo.com> writes:
> Okay; that resulted in a PNG file.
So everything works. :-)
Are you sure the problem isn't that the ~ isn't expanded properly? In
the tests you're using C:, but in the original report you're using ~...
(gnus-face-from-file "~/butterflyLang.jpg")
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/
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* bug#8681: 23.3; (gnus-face-from-file ...) bug in Gnus v5.13 on GNU Emacs 23.3.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) on Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 3
2011-06-30 20:59 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 2011-07-01 5:52 ` Benjamin L. Russell
2011-07-01 10:10 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Benjamin L. Russell @ 2011-07-01 5:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: 8681
On Fri, 7/1/11, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> wrote:
> "Benjamin L. Russell" <dekudekuplex@yahoo.com>
> writes:
>
> > Okay; that resulted in a PNG file.
>
> So everything works. :-)
>
> Are you sure the problem isn't that the ~ isn't expanded
> properly? In
> the tests you're using C:, but in the original report
> you're using ~...
>
> (gnus-face-from-file "~/butterflyLang.jpg")
Entering
M-: (gnus-face-from-file "~/butterflyLang.jpg")
and
M-: (gnus-face-from-file "C:/home/butterflyLang.jpg")
resulted in
nil
from Emacs in each case.
-- Benjamin L. Russell
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* bug#8681: 23.3; (gnus-face-from-file ...) bug in Gnus v5.13 on GNU Emacs 23.3.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) on Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 3
2011-07-01 5:52 ` Benjamin L. Russell
@ 2011-07-01 10:10 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2011-07-01 10:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Benjamin L. Russell; +Cc: 8681
"Benjamin L. Russell" <dekudekuplex@yahoo.com> writes:
> and
>
> M-: (gnus-face-from-file "C:/home/butterflyLang.jpg")
>
> resulted in
>
> nil
Try `M-x edebug-defun' through `gnus-face-from-file' in gnus-fun.el to
see what doesn't work.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/
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