From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#7925: 23.2.91; report-emacs-bug doesn't like curly quotes Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 09:42:04 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87oc7372g7.fsf@sc3d.org> <87fwsbp9ms.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87fwsaeevl.fsf@gmail.com> <87bp2yeao8.fsf@gmail.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1296400211 14570 80.91.229.12 (30 Jan 2011 15:10:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 15:10:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 7925@debbugs.gnu.org, cyd@stupidchicken.com, rrt@sc3d.org To: =?UTF-8?Q?=C5=A0t=C4=9Bp=C3=A1n_?= =?UTF-8?Q?N=C4=9Bmec?= Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 30 16:10:06 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PjYui-0002nx-R9 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 16:10:05 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55655 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PjYuh-0008Gm-QE for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 10:10:03 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=36910 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PjYuY-0008EC-G5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 10:09:55 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PjYuX-0007Z5-1N for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 10:09:54 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:41507) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PjYuW-0007Yx-Rw for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 10:09:52 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PjYLq-0005h0-1R; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 09:34:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 14:34:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7925 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 7925-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7925.129639803421866 (code B ref 7925); Sun, 30 Jan 2011 14:34:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 7925) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jan 2011 14:33:54 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PjYLh-0005gd-BH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 09:33:53 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PjYLf-0005gO-HC for 7925@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 09:33:52 -0500 Original-Received: from eliz by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PjYTc-0003et-LL; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 09:42:04 -0500 In-reply-to: <87bp2yeao8.fsf@gmail.com> (message from =?UTF-8?Q?=C5=A0t=C4=9Bp=C3=A1n_?= =?UTF-8?Q?N=C4=9Bmec?= on Sun, 30 Jan 2011 15:19:35 +0100) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 09:34:02 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:43765 Archived-At: > From: Štěpán Němec > Cc: 7925@debbugs.gnu.org, cyd@stupidchicken.com, rrt@sc3d.org > Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 15:19:35 +0100 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > In any case, this reasoning is quite different from the one stated > in your previous message The previous message corrected an assumption that the request to use English comes from the pure ASCII era. This reasoning, by contrast, tried to explain why asking for English does not guarantee 7-bit ASCII text, even if the user strictly abides by that request. > (although it doesn't make much more sense to me). Would _any_ reasoning make sense to you in this matter? If not, we are having a religious argument, and then we better stop. To make more sense out of it (hopefully), think about the various ways a Lisp-level backtrace (or, indeed, any information from the Emacs display) could be brought into the bug report (from the same Emacs session, by copy-pasting via a windowing system, via a file, etc.), and then try to imagine the set of possible encoding related mangling that could cause it to be utterly illegible. Anyway, it's time for me to bail out. Someone asked a question why report-emacs-bug does what it does. I tried to answer, which hopefully helped understand the reasons. I don't have anything else to say on this matter, and I really don't care if non-ASCII characters will be allowed. If a bug report uses non-trivial characters, its submitter should consider the possibility that it will be read by a smaller number of maintainers, in extreme situations not at all.