From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1077: 23.0.60; x-create-frame: (wrong-type-argument number-or-marker-p nil) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 10:11:36 -0500 Message-ID: References: <003e01c9257c$a385d800$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <009701c9263f$9cce7120$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <000001c94cc1$e10e9c40$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <8F1F8998D60341099C4204B7BDD8AD4F@us.oracle.com> <96BC00F728B94AC18A15EA95B66C5248@us.oracle.com> <83zksv5g7j.fsf@gnu.org> <0A475933984F4CDA855D91C8B7639E3B@us.oracle.com> <83fwum5xzk.fsf@gnu.org> <9F24875655894485A414CD785D95725B@us.oracle.com> <83ipzh9qze.fsf@gnu.org> <4CF386C9.5070909@gmx.at> <8362vg9ctt.fsf@gnu.org> <4CF409A3.1030906@gmx.at> <83y68b96c5.fsf@gnu.org> <71C125BECEDF4C5E9F703E5743F76893@us.oracle.com> <83r5e38nhg.fsf@gnu.org> <4CF4AE39.4050007@gmx.at> <4CF503A5.3030404@gmx.at> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1291183986 21692 80.91.229.12 (1 Dec 2010 06:13:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 06:13:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 1077@debbugs.gnu.org To: martin rudalics Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 01 07:12:59 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PNfw1-0001fl-59 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 07:12:58 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53548 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PNfw0-0003hW-6K for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 01:12:56 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=46654 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PNePT-00083G-4W for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 23:35:28 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PNRv3-0005Ri-5s for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 10:15:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:46654) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PNRv3-0005Re-4A for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 10:15:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PNRnK-0005tj-Kx; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 10:07:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 15:07:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1077 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo Original-Received: via spool by 1077-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B1077.129112956522602 (code B ref 1077); Tue, 30 Nov 2010 15:07:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1077) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Nov 2010 15:06:05 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PNRmP-0005sV-FI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 10:06:05 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PNRmM-0005s2-Nf for 1077@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 10:06:03 -0500 Original-Received: from eliz by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PNRrk-0005EL-Q1; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 10:11:36 -0500 In-reply-to: <4CF503A5.3030404@gmx.at> (message from martin rudalics on Tue, 30 Nov 2010 15:01:09 +0100) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 10:07:02 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:42026 Archived-At: > Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 15:01:09 +0100 > From: martin rudalics > CC: drew.adams@oracle.com, 1077@debbugs.gnu.org > > > Is it different from (menu-bar-lines . 0) ? > > The only difference I can think of is that nil stands for "this frame > cannot have a menubar" and zero for "the menubar has been temporarily > disabled". What is the difference between these two? What does "cannot have a menu bar" mean in practice? Just wondering. > But if not entry for `menu-bar-lines' exists, calling > (frame-parameter ... 'menu-bar-lines) returns nil. That's not guaranteed to be true. You will see in the implementation of frame-parameter and frame-parameters that we return values for some frame parameters without ever looking at the frame's parameter alist. It's true that frame-parameter actually does look in frame's parameter alist when the value of menu-bar-lines is requested, but frame-parameters does not, at least for TTYs. That said, I agree that any code which is called during frame creation should be able to avoid signaling an error. > > If not, do you happen to > > know why are we using two different conventions to convey the same > > information? > > Probably for using `menu-bar-lines' in a uniform manner instead of a > combination of `menu-bar-mode' and `menu-bar-lines'. If so, this is a thing of the past, as we no longer need menu-bar-mode, menu-bar-lines alone is enough, right? > The most > interesting thing about this is that on GNU systems Emacs never uses a > value greater than 1 (if I correctly recall a discussion about this). > And on Windows any calculations with a value greater than 1 are broken > anway. So using a boolean `menu-bar' should suffice. Even funnier, the ELisp manual shows an example of building a menu bar with two lines, see the node "Menu Bar" there.