From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#4128: 23.1; term/ns-win.el does "too much", assumes wrong run order Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 00:47:19 -0400 Message-ID: References: <4A82BC69.8050300@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii , 4128@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1250140035 12752 80.91.229.12 (13 Aug 2009 05:07:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 05:07:15 +0000 (UTC) To: John Prevost , 4128@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 13 07:07:07 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MbSWo-0000qE-Nn for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 13 Aug 2009 07:07:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38124 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MbSWm-00049j-AO for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 13 Aug 2009 01:07:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MbSWg-00048n-Gg for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Aug 2009 01:06:58 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MbSWb-000459-Ql for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Aug 2009 01:06:57 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=49608 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MbSWb-00044l-6Y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Aug 2009 01:06:53 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:34076) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MbSWZ-0001kP-Ey for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Aug 2009 01:06:52 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n7D56ncp030682; Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:06:49 -0700 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n7D4t4Yb028155; Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:55:04 -0700 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs , owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:55:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 4128 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs,ns X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 4128-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B4128.125013884226998 (code B ref 4128); Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:55:04 +0000 Original-Received: (at 4128) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 13 Aug 2009 04:47:22 +0000 X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n7D4lKZi026995 for <4128@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:47:21 -0700 Original-Received: from eliz by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MbSDf-0002FL-NV; Thu, 13 Aug 2009 00:47:19 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from John Prevost on Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:35:56 -0400) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 01:06:57 -0400 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:30145 Archived-At: > From: John Prevost > Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:35:56 -0400 > Cc: "4128@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com" <4128@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com> > Reply-To: John Prevost , 4128@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com > > Is it only the term/*-win.el files that are so pre-loaded? No, there are many more. See the file lisp/loadup.el for the full list of Lisp packages that are preloaded. > It might be good to document the fact in the info documentation for > Terminal-specific Initialization ((emacs) Terminal Init) that these > files are special and therefore cannot be bypassed by -q or setting > term-file-prefix in your .emacs file. It would be a maintenance nightmare, IMO, to document each file that is preloaded, because these things change over time. And I don't think it should matter, anyway. If there are specific problems with the fact that they are preloaded, they might be bugs or misfeatures that need to be fixed, rather than relying on documentation of what is preloaded and letting users figure out what that means. (I suspect that most users don't understand the subtleties of this, nor do I think they need to.)