From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Richard M. Stallman" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bellinstead Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:33:53 -0500 Message-ID: References: <009901c9421f$5bd0a6b0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <00ad01c942a0$1f49ca60$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org, 1305@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1226461828 14108 80.91.229.12 (12 Nov 2008 03:50:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 03:50:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com, bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, 1305@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com To: "Jason Spiro" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 12 04:51:29 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1L06lJ-0001to-Ox for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 04:51:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50174 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1L06kB-0000mf-EH for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:50:15 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L06k7-0000mJ-6T for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:50:11 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L06k6-0000lz-Ru for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:50:10 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=35834 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1L06k6-0000lw-KP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:50:10 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:55595) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L06k5-0003pp-Op for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:50:10 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mAC3o70x007344; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:50:07 -0800 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id mAC3j3at005791; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:45:03 -0800 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Resent-From: "Richard M. Stallman" Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 03:45:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 1305 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 1305-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B1305.12264610244510 (code B ref 1305); Wed, 12 Nov 2008 03:45:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1305) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 12 Nov 2008 03:37:04 +0000 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mAC3b1T5004504 for <1305@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:37:03 -0800 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1L06UL-00084C-FC; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:33:53 -0500 In-reply-to: (jasonspiro4@gmail.com) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:50:10 -0500 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:22294 Archived-At: We should poll for which change? Surely removing beeping from the trivial things like: * quit (C-g), and * moving the point off the end of the buffer, and * failing isearches should not require a poll. Sure it should. You think it is an improvement, but I think the opposite. Let's see what the users think. Also, I think email polls are imperfect, since they drastically increase list traffic. There may be a misunderstanding here. Polls do not use this list. We create a special address for people to send their responses to, and that address dumps everything into a file. When the deadline comes, someone reads all the responses and analyzes them. IMO a better alternative is to create a page on EmacsWiki and to ask people to add their Support or Oppose votes, with explanations, to a new paragraph at the bottom of the page, I think that is asking for trouble, as people may flame at each other and may edit each other's text.