From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: RE: not too happy with Emacs 21 vertical-line dragging when scrollbars present Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:19:07 -0700 Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1096562392 3969 80.91.229.6 (30 Sep 2004 16:39:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:39:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 30 18:39:42 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CD3y1-0001aQ-00 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 18:39:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CD44P-0006nK-U1 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:46:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CD3km-00035Y-UF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:26:01 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CD3kl-00035D-FT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:25:59 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CD3kl-00034x-6b for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:25:59 -0400 Original-Received: from [141.146.126.229] (helo=agminet02.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.34) id 1CD3eA-0002DQ-Kz; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:19:11 -0400 Original-Received: from rgmgw2.us.oracle.com (rgmgw2.us.oracle.com [138.1.191.11]) by agminet02.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id i8UGJ7ri014684; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:19:07 -0700 Original-Received: from rgmgw2.us.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rgmgw2.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id i8UGJ8pd007368; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 10:19:08 -0600 Original-Received: from dradamslap (dradams-lap.us.oracle.com [130.35.177.126]) by rgmgw2.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with SMTP id i8UGJ8UW007357; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 10:19:08 -0600 Original-To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:9147 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.bugs:9147 You're right. I should have thought of that. I'm sorry, but I've since rebooted, so I no longer have that session (and I can't reproduce that part of the problem). Again, though, it would still be good to have the entire (small) space under the vertical scroll bar as drag handle (even for the rightmost window), for the reasons I mentioned. And there is no reason that the mode line should seem to be selected or become active, just because you use the drag handle. IOW, the Emacs 20 behavior is preferable in terms of usability: more intuitive, more visible feedback (visible affordance), and an easier handle to grab. - Drew -----Original Message----- From: Richard Stallman [mailto:rms@gnu.org] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 9:00 AM To: Drew Adams Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: Re: not too happy with Emacs 21 vertical-line dragging when scrollbars present Here's the backtrace (although it's not very helpful): Debugger entered--Lisp error: (error "Attempt to drag leftmost scrollbar") signal(error ("Attempt to drag leftmost scrollbar")) error("Attempt to drag leftmost scrollbar") mouse-drag-vertical-line((down-mouse-1 (# vertical-line (300 . 344) 7448410 nil 342 (0 . 8) nil (0 . 215) (1 . 16)))) call-interactively(mouse-drag-vertical-line) What happens if you install an interpreted version of mouse-drag-vertical-line in that session? Does the bug still happen? If so, you can get some real info from the backtrace when it is running interpreted.