From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Van L Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#31654: emacs-lisp-intro.texi - backtrace Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 13:00:02 +1000 Message-ID: References: <8794A4AF-6030-4A0E-9F50-FFDFA8AB981D@scratch.space> <83y3g1gk41.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1527735550 28743 195.159.176.226 (31 May 2018 02:59:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 02:59:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 31654@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu May 31 04:59:05 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fODnt-0007Mo-9b for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 31 May 2018 04:59:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41721 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fODpy-00014V-MP for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 30 May 2018 23:01:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48414) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fODpp-00013o-Ta for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2018 23:01:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fODpm-0004sk-Su for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2018 23:01:06 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:47592) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fODpm-0004sG-OI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2018 23:01:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fODpm-0004mF-GP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2018 23:01:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Van L Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 03:01:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31654 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 31654-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31654.152773561318299 (code B ref 31654); Thu, 31 May 2018 03:01:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 31654) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 May 2018 03:00:13 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55489 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fODoy-0004l5-Li for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2018 23:00:12 -0400 Original-Received: from relay8-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.201]:48281) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fODow-0004kv-N0 for 31654@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2018 23:00:11 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 123.243.250.252 Original-Received: from epi.local (123-243-250-252.tpgi.com.au [123.243.250.252]) (Authenticated sender: van@scratch.space) by relay8-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B33551BF20B; Thu, 31 May 2018 05:00:14 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <83y3g1gk41.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:146765 Archived-At: > On 31 May 2018, at 02:54, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >=20 > But it's what Emacs shows nowadays. I don't see any good reasons to > describe in the manual something that is different from the reality >=20 > If you or someone else have ideas how to make this "nicer" without > lying to the reader, I'm all ears. The ``ignore'' passage for pre-version 22 suggests a one line backtrace = for the event of function or variable being ``void=E2=80=99=E2=80=99. = Neat. How about something like a universal argument for level of detail of = verbosity? for backtrace. The default is one line where possible for C-x C-e. The easy to medium setting has lines having a common beautiful prefix = where possible. The extremely difficult setting has all the ugly offal outpourings for = the kitchen sink.=