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Fri, 28 Jan 2022 09:16:45 -0500 X-Authenticated-User: mattiase@bredband.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=megamailservers.eu; s=maildub; t=1643379399; bh=EwpzYfCR66zcUNZ0PqzlOFjRSL3hVyyaflURVz5aGtY=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To:From; b=m5bvuk4dvJtJOdk1WixCsNnDFu5JFoZI6iayawMMbevJ1hutDb5l0nYqNSv5v9inw sk0CsGG29oZQGGYhHjXDjdw6+TxAukSRG34WhZtfYi1kPC30eumiZkitexlzyEA+Gc ffKoJGFnzBVKoY+7V7u/6PhESKF1R49GEYx4pS/Y= Feedback-ID: mattiase@acm.or Original-Received: from smtpclient.apple (c-b952e353.032-75-73746f71.bbcust.telenor.se [83.227.82.185]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail37c50.megamailservers.eu (8.14.9/8.13.1) with ESMTP id 20SEGZkl025784; Fri, 28 Jan 2022 14:16:37 +0000 In-Reply-To: <87v8y5mblo.fsf@gnus.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.13) X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A742F25.61F3FAC6.00B8, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-Origin-Country: SE X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:225453 Archived-At: 27 jan. 2022 kl. 16.39 skrev Lars Ingebrigtsen : > Stepping back a bit, `C-x =3D' does two things now, and neither very = well: > It says something about the character under point, and it says = something > about where in the buffer you are. >=20 > I think it might make more sense to split this into two commands, = where > one would more fully describe the character under point, and the other > command says where you are in the buffer. That's an interesting aspect and it is true that the user is only = interested in one of the parts: either the character or the position = (etc). On the other hand, both currently fit in the echo area (with some = care; it's partly what this bug is about), and it is not clear that the = added room for information motivates the increased cognitive load that = an extra binding implies. In a modern editor it would perhaps make sense to to have the = position-related data in a live view that can be shown or hidden at any = time. This is clearly popular for line and column numbers; some writers = like live word counts, and so on. Character info is less useful as live = information and more likely something called up on command. For that matter, many users employ the vertical scroll bar as a live = approximate position/size indicator. I just wish its height were based = on lines instead of characters. Anyway, what about making the proposed minor reform to `C-x =3D` now and = plan for a more extensive overhaul separately?