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Sun, 01 Aug 2010 22:34:40 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.219.98) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 01 Aug 2010 22:34:40 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acsx8xwx54qG6NiQSvuNiGZgnmPxiQADXT/QAADBBRA= In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Source-IP: acsmt355.oracle.com [141.146.40.155] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090201.4C56590C.00A2:SCFMA4539814,ss=1,fgs=0 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 01:35:01 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:39135 Archived-At: > > > an error seems like common sense and what users would expect. > > > > That's highly subjective IMHO. > > Do you oppose to the following (minimal) version? > > Nope. (I already said so.) Oops, yes, I do oppose it, because it is incorrect. What I said earlier was: "I have no real objection to a clear statement of the error handling." ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ But it is incorrect that these raise an error if the region is inactive - they do not. emacs -Q Visit some file. C-SPC, then move point somewhere. C-g to deactivate the region. M-: (region-beginning) -> returns the value of `(mark)'. This is with the default value of `mark-even-if-inactive' and the default of transient-mark-mode turned on. If you want to describe the error treatment then you need to do so completely and correctly. As before, I recommend against describing error handling in this case, but I do not oppose it if done right.