From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#12507: [debbugs-tracker] Processed: severity 12507 wishlist Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 16:36:10 -0700 Message-ID: References: <87bogubqjy.fsf@gnu.org><873925ebpd.fsf@gnu.org><87ipb031aj.fsf@kwarm.red-bean.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1348702629 5848 80.91.229.3 (26 Sep 2012 23:37:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 23:37:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'Chong Yidong' , 12507@debbugs.gnu.org To: "'Karl Fogel'" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 27 01:37:13 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TH1AF-0004P9-Et for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 01:37:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40036 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TH1AA-0005z2-CF for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2012 19:37:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:49358) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TH1A7-0005yx-Kw for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2012 19:37:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TH1A6-0003aQ-4y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2012 19:37:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:48117) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TH1A6-0003aM-0h for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2012 19:37:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TH1A6-0005g0-Fo for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2012 19:37:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 23:37:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12507 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 12507-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12507.134870258021764 (code B ref 12507); Wed, 26 Sep 2012 23:37:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 12507) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Sep 2012 23:36:20 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57662 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TH19Q-0005ez-2F for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2012 19:36:20 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]:27758) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TH19L-0005eo-HH for 12507@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2012 19:36:18 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q8QNaCRO032188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Sep 2012 23:36:13 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q8QNaCaC028939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 26 Sep 2012 23:36:12 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt108.oracle.com (abhmt108.oracle.com [141.146.116.60]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q8QNaC6B011951; Wed, 26 Sep 2012 18:36:12 -0500 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/71.202.147.44) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Wed, 26 Sep 2012 16:36:11 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Ac2cMGYpBiuVw5cCQXO1X+2HOcKqCAAAJxHAAAOWciA= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:64938 Archived-At: > > * Also change the default value of `bookmark-version-control' > > to be `nil' instead of `nospecial', so that backups of the > > bookmark data file are no longer on by default (unless there > > are already backup files present). > > But how does that help a user turn backup on in the first > place? Not a rhetorical question - I really don't know. > How should a user create the first backup file? > > What would the doc suggest to the user for that? Copy the > file to one with a `~' suffix (error prone)? Visit the > bookmark file, type SPC then DEL, then `C-x C-s' (error prone)? > > What is an easy, sure way for a user who has never backed up > a file (one that is not typically visited interactively) to create > a backup? > > The question is not bookmark-specific. I don't know a good > answer. It's probably obvious, but I'm not seeing it. Sorry, I wasn't paying attention. It's not about creating the first backup file, but the first numbered backup file. The question remains (how do users do that?), but my examples were incorrect.