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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: "Michael Heerdegen" <michael_heerdegen@web.de>,
	"Gerd Möllmann" <gerd.moellmann@gmail.com>
Cc: "brandon.irizarry@gmail.com" <brandon.irizarry@gmail.com>,
	Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	"65344@debbugs.gnu.org" <65344@debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: bug#65344: 28.2; Unable to Edebug cl-flet form which uses argument destructuring
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 01:53:50 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CO6PR10MB54736C49D59CAA2AB4F721DEF3E3A@CO6PR10MB5473.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87edjsghyf.fsf@web.de>

> > On the other hand, I don't think the usual suspects do something like
> > that deliberatly.
> 
> It was not an oversight, though.  The decision to extend `cl-flet' and
> `cl-labels' in that way had been made in the knowledge that it will
> break CL semantics in this corner case.

If something is somewhat like a CL construct,
but it is intentionally different in some way
(and not just because we've implemented only
partial support for it), then why use the
prefix `cl-' for it?  Why not use the prefix
`el-' or whatever?

Nothing says that Elisp needs to have the
same things as CL.  But why call something
different "CL support" or "CL emulation", and
use the same prefix, `cl-', that we use for
things that are really intended to emulate
CL constructs?

It's like we have no guideline or map now.
To what avail?  There's no shortage of
prefixes and nothing forcing things with
different purposes or natures to be in the
same file.

The initial inspiration for some Elisp
thingie might, or might not, have come from
some CL thingie.  But that's not a reason
to put, or keep. it in a cl-*.el file, or to
have it use the `cl-' prefix.  Things can
change over time, and their names and
libraries can change too, to reflect changes
in behavior/meaning.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-08-25  1:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-16 18:21 bug#65344: 28.2; Unable to Edebug cl-flet form which uses argument destructuring Brandon Irizarry
2023-08-17  0:55 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-17  5:29 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-17 15:42   ` Brandon Irizarry
2023-08-17 15:56     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-17 18:23     ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-17 23:07       ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-18  5:19         ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-18  5:58           ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-18  6:43             ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-19  8:08               ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-20  3:57                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-20  5:32                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-20  6:08                     ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-20  6:48                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-21  1:19                         ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-21  7:01                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-21  7:10                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-21  7:30                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-22  0:54                                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-22  5:48                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-22  6:10                                     ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-22  8:05                                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-22 21:06                                         ` Brandon Irizarry
2023-08-23  0:35                                           ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-23  0:32                                         ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-23  1:25                                           ` Drew Adams
2023-08-23  6:06                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-23 14:23                                               ` Drew Adams
2023-08-24  3:16                                                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-24  9:10                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-24 23:04                                                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-25  1:53                                                     ` Drew Adams [this message]
2023-08-25  4:07                                                       ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-25 14:50                                                         ` Drew Adams
2023-08-26  0:16                                                           ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-26  2:02                                                             ` Drew Adams
2023-08-20  4:39                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-20  5:15                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-23  9:25 ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-08-23  9:31   ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-08-23 11:10     ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-23 14:08       ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-24  1:14         ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-24  6:17           ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-25  4:10             ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-25  6:19               ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-25  4:22             ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-25  6:33               ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-25 17:53                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-26  5:39                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-27  4:02                     ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-27  6:34                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-09-01 23:24         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-02  5:10           ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-09-02 17:04             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-02 19:27               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-03  5:51                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-09-03 16:09                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-03 16:47                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-09-04 21:14                       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-23  9:33   ` Gerd Möllmann

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