bug#70941: 30.0.50; Low RGB color values use the terminal palette in TUI

bug#70941: 30.0.50; Low RGB color values use the terminal palette in TUI

[Gerry Agbobada]

When using Emacs in a terminal that can handle 24-bit color codes, Emacs
still shows the "terminal palette" colors when using the low bits.

The full terminfo file for wezterm can be found in the repo:
https://github.com/wez/wezterm/blob/f1a0842608932a9f17b20ae4123d3a296dda525a/termwiz/data/wezterm.terminfo

The relevant (I think?) lines are

#+begin_src
	setab=\E[%?%p1%{8}%<%t4%p1%d%e%p1%{16}%<%t10%p1%{8}%-%d%e48;5;%p1%d%;m,
	setaf=\E[%?%p1%{8}%<%t3%p1%d%e%p1%{16}%<%t9%p1%{8}%-%d%e38;5;%p1%d%;m,
#+end_src

* Repro:

** Setup
Evaluate the following code in a terminal with a light theme in Emacs (I
tested it with a beta terminal called ghostty, and in wezterm)

#+begin_src emacs-lisp
(let*
  ((colors
    '("#000000" "#000001" "#000002" "#000003" "#000004" "#000005" "#000006" "#000007"
      "#000008" "#000009" "#00000A" "#00000B" "#00000C" "#00000D" "#00000E" "#00000F" "#000010"
      "#00aa00"))
   (test-strings (mapconcat (lambda (color) (propertize color 'face `(:foreground ,color))) colors "\n")))
  (save-excursion
    (goto-char (point-max))
    (insert "\n")
    (insert test-strings)))
#+end_src

** Expected
The first 16 colors are very dark, and the last one is green

** Actual
The first 8 colors follow exactly the color palette set in the terminal
(so "black" red green yellow blue magenta cyan "white"), and after I get
the expected colors


In GNU Emacs 30.0.50 (build 1, aarch64-apple-darwin23.0.0, NS
appkit-2487.00 Version 14.0 (Build 23A344)) of 2024-02-28 built on
fp-gerry.lan
System Description:  macOS 14.4.1

Configured using:
'configure --disable-dependency-tracking --disable-silent-rules
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--prefix=/opt/homebrew/Cellar/emacs-plus@30/30.0.50 --with-xml2
--with-gnutls --with-native-compilation --without-compress-install
--without-dbus --without-imagemagick --with-modules --with-rsvg
--with-webp --with-ns --disable-ns-self-contained 'CFLAGS=-Os -w -pipe
-mmacosx-version-min=14
-isysroot/Library/Developer/CommandLineTools/SDKs/MacOSX14.sdk
-DFD_SETSIZE=10000 -DDARWIN_UNLIMITED_SELECT'
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bug#70941: 30.0.50; Low RGB color values use the terminal palette in TUI

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Gerry Agbobada <gerry@fiberplane.com>
> Date: Tue, 14 May 2024 17:18:50 +0200
> 
> When using Emacs in a terminal that can handle 24-bit color codes, Emacs
> still shows the "terminal palette" colors when using the low bits.
> 
> The full terminfo file for wezterm can be found in the repo:
> https://github.com/wez/wezterm/blob/f1a0842608932a9f17b20ae4123d3a296dda525a/termwiz/data/wezterm.terminfo

Emacs doesn't have a lisp/term/wezterm.el file, so the question is
what is your TERM environment variable set to?

> The relevant (I think?) lines are
> 
> #+begin_src
> 	setab=\E[%?%p1%{8}%<%t4%p1%d%e%p1%{16}%<%t10%p1%{8}%-%d%e48;5;%p1%d%;m,
> 	setaf=\E[%?%p1%{8}%<%t3%p1%d%e%p1%{16}%<%t9%p1%{8}%-%d%e38;5;%p1%d%;m,
> #+end_src

I think the relevant terminfo capabilities for 24-bit colors are
setf24 and setb24, not setab and setaf.

> * Repro:
> 
> ** Setup
> Evaluate the following code in a terminal with a light theme in Emacs (I
> tested it with a beta terminal called ghostty, and in wezterm)
> 
> #+begin_src emacs-lisp
> (let*
>   ((colors
>     '("#000000" "#000001" "#000002" "#000003" "#000004" "#000005" "#000006" "#000007"
>       "#000008" "#000009" "#00000A" "#00000B" "#00000C" "#00000D" "#00000E" "#00000F" "#000010"
>       "#00aa00"))
>    (test-strings (mapconcat (lambda (color) (propertize color 'face `(:foreground ,color))) colors "\n")))
>   (save-excursion
>     (goto-char (point-max))
>     (insert "\n")
>     (insert test-strings)))
> #+end_src
> 
> ** Expected
> The first 16 colors are very dark, and the last one is green

You expect the terminal to obey the X RGB color specification
directly, but that is not how TTY color support works in Emacs.  Emacs
approximates each X color using the colors that the terminal actually
supports.  So we should start by looking at the color setup and how
many colors that yields.  What does "M-x list-colors-display" produce?

bug#70941: 30.0.50; Low RGB color values use the terminal palette in TUI

[Gerry Agbobada]

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Hello

> Le 14 mai 2024 à 19:33, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> a écrit :
> 
> Emacs doesn't have a lisp/term/wezterm.el file, so the question is
> what is your TERM environment variable set to?

My bad, the TERM environment variable is set to xterm-256color
there. But infocmp -x still does not show any setf24 or setb24,
only setab and setaf again, this time (it seems to be the exact same)

#+begin_src
setab=\E[%?%p1%{8}%<%t4%p1%d%e%p1%{16}%<%t10%p1%{8}%-%d%e48;5;%p1%d%;m,
setaf=\E[%?%p1%{8}%<%t3%p1%d%e%p1%{16}%<%t9%p1%{8}%-%d%e38;5;%p1%d%;m,
#+end_src
> 
> You expect the terminal to obey the X RGB color specification
> directly, but that is not how TTY color support works in Emacs.  Emacs
> approximates each X color using the colors that the terminal actually
> supports.  So we should start by looking at the color setup and how
> many colors that yields.  What does "M-x list-colors-display" produce?

What bothers me is that there seems to be an inconsistency there. I expect
Emacs in a terminal that supports 24-bit to show the colour `#000000` as
pitch black. Instead it’s the 0th colour of the terminal emulator palette. All
the colours seems to be displayed exactly as they should, except the
first 8 ones.

To answer your question, `M-x list-colors-display` seems to show the
maximum amount possible (all the colours are named like « goldenrod » 
etc.), but the first 8 ones definitely don’t look right. I am attaching 2 screenshots, one
from my reproduction script, and the first page of list-colors-display, where we can see
that the black `#000000` is not dark at all.

I hope this will work not too horribly with the apple mail client (for the record, I’m using
the emacs-plus recipe, but I don’t think any patch is touching the display code for this
 https://github.com/d12frosted/homebrew-emacs-plus/tree/master/patches/emacs-30 )



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bug#70941: 30.0.50; Low RGB color values use the terminal palette in TUI

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Gerry Agbobada <gerry@fiberplane.com>
> Date: Tue, 14 May 2024 21:45:13 +0200
> Cc: 70941@debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> > Emacs doesn't have a lisp/term/wezterm.el file, so the question is
> > what is your TERM environment variable set to?
> 
> My bad, the TERM environment variable is set to xterm-256color
> there. But infocmp -x still does not show any setf24 or setb24,
> only setab and setaf again, this time (it seems to be the exact same)
> 
> #+begin_src
> setab=\E[%?%p1%{8}%<%t4%p1%d%e%p1%{16}%<%t10%p1%{8}%-%d%e48;5;%p1%d%;m,
> setaf=\E[%?%p1%{8}%<%t3%p1%d%e%p1%{16}%<%t9%p1%{8}%-%d%e38;5;%p1%d%;m,
> #+end_src

Might be a problem with infocmp, perhaps?

> > You expect the terminal to obey the X RGB color specification
> > directly, but that is not how TTY color support works in Emacs.  Emacs
> > approximates each X color using the colors that the terminal actually
> > supports.  So we should start by looking at the color setup and how
> > many colors that yields.  What does "M-x list-colors-display" produce?
> 
> What bothers me is that there seems to be an inconsistency there. I expect
> Emacs in a terminal that supports 24-bit to show the colour `#000000` as
> pitch black. Instead it’s the 0th colour of the terminal emulator palette. All
> the colours seems to be displayed exactly as they should, except the
> first 8 ones.

That's because you use #RGB with 2 hex digits per color component.
Emacs, by contrast, uses 16-bit color components, i.e. 4 hex digits
per component.  When you use 2 hex digits, Emacs scales them to 16-bit
values, and that causes the effect you see, because 01 is not scaled
to 0001, but to 0100 instead.  So try with "#000000000001" etc. in
your recipe, and I think you should see what you expect.

> To answer your question, `M-x list-colors-display` seems to show the
> maximum amount possible (all the colours are named like « goldenrod » 
> etc.), but the first 8 ones definitely don’t look right.

Why do you think the first 8 are not right?  list-colors-display does
not show the colors in the numerical order, it shows first the
standard colors, and then the rest.  This order is unrelated to the
issue at hand.

bug#70941: 30.0.50; Low RGB color values use the terminal palette in TUI

[Eli Zaretskii]

[Please use Reply All to keep the bug tracker on the CC list.]

> From: Gerry Agbobada <gerry@fiberplane.com>
> Date: Sat, 18 May 2024 15:07:56 +0200
> 
>  Why do you think the first 8 are not right?  list-colors-display does
>  not show the colors in the numerical order, it shows first the
>  standard colors, and then the rest.  This order is unrelated to the
>  issue at hand.
> 
> In the raw lisp code screenshot, I dont expect setting "#000001" as a face color to give me the red color of the
> terminal palette instead of black. If that's the expected outcome of this value, I think there should be a warning
> or an error. And the "#000002" is green instead of black and that's unexpected too, etc. for all 8 first lines of
> that screenshot.

I think the fact that you get the first few colors as you do is
largely a coincidence, and is not necessarily related.

I suggest that you first try the change I pointed out: using #RGB
color specs with 4 hex digits per component, not 2 digits.  If that
doesn't work as you expect, we can take it from there.

> In the list-colors-display screenshot, the first line is "black" and we barely see it because it's not a dark colour,
> this doesn't feel normal either. I don't really have an issue with the order of colors there.

Indeed the order is not the problem.

Why the first color in list-colors-display display is not black for
you, I don't know; but the rest of the colors look okay to me.

bug#70941: 30.0.50; Low RGB color values use the terminal palette in TUI

[Gerry Agbobada]

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Hello,

> Le 18 mai 2024 à 17:41, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> a écrit :
> 
> [Please use Reply All to keep the bug tracker on the CC list.]

Sorry about that, I usually remember to do it

> 
> I think the fact that you get the first few colors as you do is
> largely a coincidence, and is not necessarily related.
> 
> I suggest that you first try the change I pointed out: using #RGB
> color specs with 4 hex digits per component, not 2 digits.  If that
> doesn't work as you expect, we can take it from there.

I changed the script to use the 4 hex digits, and the black colors
still look weird

> Why the first color in list-colors-display display is not black for
> you, I don't know;
That’s the part I wanted to report as bug, all the colors that seem
to be specified as RGB but are only low blue values seem to be
handled differently (and, to me, unexpectedly) than most of the
other colors. It’s probably reproducible in a dark theme too, but
this is more visual with a light Emacs theme and a terminal
emulator theme that has a 0th palette colour that is light 
instead of dark

> but the rest of the colors look okay to me.
Yeah the other colors are okay, I agree

Regards,
Gerry


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bug#70941: 30.0.50; Low RGB color values use the terminal palette in TUI

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Gerry Agbobada <gerry@fiberplane.com>
> Date: Sun, 19 May 2024 15:54:48 +0200
> Cc: 70941@debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> > I think the fact that you get the first few colors as you do is
> > largely a coincidence, and is not necessarily related.
> > 
> > I suggest that you first try the change I pointed out: using #RGB
> > color specs with 4 hex digits per component, not 2 digits.  If that
> > doesn't work as you expect, we can take it from there.
> 
> I changed the script to use the 4 hex digits, and the black colors
> still look weird

They now all look the same, but for some reason they look almost
white, not black.

I cannot reproduce this on systems to which I have access, so you or
someone else will have to debug this with that particular terminal.

What does the below report on that terminal?

  M-: (tty-color-desc "#000000000000") RET

> That’s the part I wanted to report as bug, all the colors that seem
> to be specified as RGB but are only low blue values seem to be
> handled differently (and, to me, unexpectedly) than most of the
> other colors. It’s probably reproducible in a dark theme too, but
> this is more visual with a light Emacs theme and a terminal
> emulator theme that has a 0th palette colour that is light 
> instead of dark

What do you mean by "dark theme"?  This is in "emacs -Q", right?
without any theme being loaded by Emacs, right?

bug#70941: 30.0.50; Low RGB color values use the terminal palette in TUI

[Gerry Agbobada]

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> They now all look the same, but for some reason they look almost
> white, not black.
> 
> I cannot reproduce this on systems to which I have access, so you or
> someone else will have to debug this with that particular terminal.

Fair enough, if someone else has the issue they will be able to find
this hopefully

> What does the below report on that terminal?
> 
>  M-: (tty-color-desc "#000000000000") RET

("#000000000000" 0 0 0 0)


> What do you mean by "dark theme"?  This is in "emacs -Q", right?
> without any theme being loaded by Emacs, right?
It wasn’t emacs -Q, but emacs -Q is even worse (nothing visible for the
first lines)

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bug#70941: 30.0.50; Low RGB color values use the terminal palette in TUI

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Gerry Agbobada <gerry@fiberplane.com>
> Date: Sun, 19 May 2024 17:54:16 +0200
> Cc: 70941@debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> > What does the below report on that terminal?
> > 
> >  M-: (tty-color-desc "#000000000000") RET
> 
> ("#000000000000" 0 0 0 0)

That's strange.  I'd expect this instead:

  ("black" 0 0 0 0)

But maybe what you see is expected on a 24-bit TTY, I don't have
access to such a terminal.