From: Pip Cet <pipcet@gmail.com>
To: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
Cc: 41321@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Subject: bug#41321: 27.0.91; Emacs aborts due to invalid pseudovector objects
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 17:57:31 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAOqdjBdfxOvaRNR75GLtNkunGYqaeN3bDvyGNcyq01JopODWig@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4aeb8963-4fd1-fcd4-e6e1-be409ab54775@cs.ucla.edu>
On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 4:58 PM Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu> wrote:
> On 5/27/20 8:26 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > We used to rely on 8-byte alignment on those systems, and I don't see
> > any reason not to continue relying on that and punishing those
> > systems' performance. What would we gain?
>
> In looking into this more, it appears that the maybe_lisp_pointer idea is wrong,
> in that compilers can make pointers into a Lisp object while losing the address
> of the original object (and we've seen them do this) and there's no guarantee
> that these sub-pointers are GCALIGNED.
Do you know of anything like this happening on 64-bit systems? Because
I think it doesn't; Emacs GC does rely, and has always relied since
GCPRO was removed, on compilers being sensible about what they put on
the stack. There's no guarantee in the C standard that that's true,
but there never will be.
> This sort of failure should be quite rare
> but can cause crashes such as the one you observed.
I'm pretty sure we figured out the crash that Eli observed. It's not
anything that involved, just a Lisp_Object being stored
non-consecutively and simultaneously being misaligned for the purposes
of maybe_lisp_pointer.
> I am looking into a fix and
> plan to apply it to master (I've already installed some minor glitches I
> observed on the way); we can then talk about what to do with emacs-27.
I may be out of line, but I think it's rash to change things like
that, even on master, with no opportunity for prior discussion. This
isn't a minor bug, or a spelling fix: it's a fundamental change in
what we expect from our C compiler and how GC works. In particular, I
don't see how you plan to solve it without treating any pointer that
points even in the vicinity of a valid lisp object as keeping that
object alive.
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Thread overview: 132+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-05-16 10:33 bug#41321: 27.0.91; Emacs aborts due to invalid pseudovector objects Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-16 16:33 ` Paul Eggert
2020-05-16 16:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-17 10:56 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-17 15:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-17 15:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-22 7:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-22 8:35 ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-22 11:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-22 12:55 ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-22 10:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-22 11:47 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-22 12:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-22 12:39 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-22 12:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-22 14:04 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-22 14:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-22 14:40 ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-22 19:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <CAOqdjBdpU4U1NqErNH0idBmUxNeE3fL=2=KKpo9kbCM3DhW5gA@mail.gmail.com>
2020-05-23 17:58 ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-23 22:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-23 22:41 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-23 23:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-22 12:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-29 9:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-29 10:00 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-23 23:54 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-24 14:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-24 15:00 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-24 16:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-24 16:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-24 18:03 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-24 18:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-24 19:40 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-25 2:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-25 6:40 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-25 11:28 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-25 14:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-25 15:12 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-26 3:39 ` Paul Eggert
2020-05-26 3:33 ` Paul Eggert
2020-05-26 6:18 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-26 7:51 ` Paul Eggert
2020-05-26 8:27 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-26 6:46 ` Paul Eggert
2020-05-26 15:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-26 22:49 ` Paul Eggert
2020-05-27 15:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-27 16:58 ` Paul Eggert
2020-05-27 17:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-27 17:53 ` Paul Eggert
2020-05-27 18:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-27 18:39 ` Paul Eggert
2020-05-28 2:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-28 7:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-28 7:41 ` Paul Eggert
2020-05-28 13:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-28 14:28 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-28 16:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-29 9:43 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-29 18:31 ` Paul Eggert
2020-05-29 18:37 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-29 19:32 ` Paul Eggert
2020-05-29 19:37 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-29 20:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-29 20:40 ` Paul Eggert
2020-05-30 5:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-30 17:52 ` Paul Eggert
2020-05-30 18:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-30 18:17 ` Paul Eggert
2020-05-30 5:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-30 14:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-27 17:57 ` Pip Cet [this message]
2020-05-27 18:39 ` Paul Eggert
2020-05-27 18:56 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-28 1:21 ` Paul Eggert
2020-05-28 6:31 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-28 7:47 ` Paul Eggert
2020-05-28 8:11 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-28 18:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-28 19:33 ` Paul Eggert
2020-05-29 6:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-29 20:24 ` Paul Eggert
2020-05-29 21:01 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-30 5:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-30 7:19 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-30 9:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-30 11:06 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-30 11:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-30 13:29 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-30 16:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-30 16:36 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-30 16:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-30 18:04 ` Paul Eggert
2020-05-30 18:12 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-30 18:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-30 18:45 ` Paul Eggert
2020-05-30 18:39 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-30 18:57 ` Paul Eggert
2020-05-30 19:06 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-30 21:27 ` Paul Eggert
2020-05-30 21:49 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-30 22:23 ` Paul Eggert
2020-05-30 22:54 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-30 16:31 ` Paul Eggert
2020-05-30 16:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-30 17:06 ` Paul Eggert
2020-05-30 17:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-30 18:12 ` Paul Eggert
2020-05-30 18:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-30 19:14 ` Paul Eggert
2020-05-30 19:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-30 22:18 ` Paul Eggert
2020-05-31 15:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-01 14:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-27 14:39 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-27 14:45 ` Pip Cet
2020-09-27 15:02 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-27 15:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-30 16:53 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-30 5:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-29 8:25 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-25 15:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-25 17:41 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-24 19:00 ` Andy Moreton
2020-05-24 19:09 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-29 10:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-29 10:34 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-29 10:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-29 11:47 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-29 13:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-29 14:19 ` Pip Cet
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