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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 6 December 2016 at 16:37, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: Reuben Thomas > > Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 16:20:24 +0000 > > Cc: 25107@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > Why is it useful to remove this information? The documentation of the > > spell-checkers themselves leaves a lot to be desired, so asking the > > users to go consult it might not be appreciated. I'd rather add here > > the missing info about the other spellers. > > > > =E2=80=8BEmacs is enough for us to document without trying to document > third-party software. Since all the software > > involved is free, better to fix it directly, and benefit all its users, > rather than take on the burden of documenting > > it in order only to benefit Emacs users. > > I agree with the general point, but in this case we are talking about > mentioning a small number of file names in the doc string. Doesn't > seem like a burden to me, and whoever put that information there > probably didn't see it as such, either. > =E2=80=8BIn that case I will add the information for Enchant. At least it i= s not likely to change.=E2=80=8B I'm not saying it is much of a burden, but it is the sort of small burden that can contribute to death-by-a-thousand-cuts. I guess we disagree over what the threshold is; in this case I'm quite happy to cede that none of the locations we mention is likely to change as all the spellcheckers documented there are mature. I was thinking about someone using the result to report the version > they have, e.g. as part of a bug report. > =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8BVersion of what? If of Emacs, then that version informati= on is already provided by report-emacs-bug. If of a spellchecker, then that information is still provided by the revised message. Sorry if I'm overlooking something obvious here!=E2=80=8B --=20 http://rrt.sc3d.org --94eb2c0ecc5e9579af054300fb59 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On = 6 December 2016 at 16:37, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
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> From: Reuben Thomas <rrt@sc3d.org>
> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 16:20:24 +0000
> Cc: 25107@debbugs.gnu.org=
>
>=C2=A0 Why is it useful to remove this information? The documentation o= f the
>=C2=A0 spell-checkers themselves leaves a lot to be desired, so asking = the
>=C2=A0 users to go consult it might not be appreciated. I'd rather = add here
>=C2=A0 the missing info about the other spellers.
>
> =E2=80=8BEmacs is enough for us to document without trying to document= third-party software. Since all the software
> involved is free, better to fix it directly, and benefit all its users= , rather than take on the burden of documenting
> it in order only to benefit Emacs users.

I agree with the general point, but in this case we are talking abou= t
mentioning a small number of file names in the doc string.=C2=A0 Doesn'= t
seem like a burden to me, and whoever put that information there
probably didn't see it as such, either.

=
=E2=80=8BIn tha= t case I will add the information for Enchant. At least it is not likely to= change.=E2=80=8B

I= 'm not saying it is much of a burden, but it is the sort of small burde= n that can contribute to death-by-a-thousand-cuts. I guess we disagree over= what the threshold is; in this case I'm quite happy to cede that none = of the locations we mention is likely to change as all the spellcheckers do= cumented there are mature.

I was thinking about someone using the result to repo= rt the version
they have, e.g. as part of a bug report.

=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8BVersion of what? If of Emacs, then that version inform= ation is already provided by report-emacs-bug. If of a spellchecker, then t= hat information is still provided by the revised message.

Sorry if I'm overlooking something obvious here!=E2=80=8B

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