From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Reuben Thomas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#25107: Acknowledgement (Patches to clean up ispell.el) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 18:11:16 +0000 Message-ID: References: <8360mxjbti.fsf@gnu.org> <831sxlj9ow.fsf@gnu.org> <83y3zthr75.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c1a0ba0a216320543015479 X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1481047938 30194 195.159.176.226 (6 Dec 2016 18:12:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 18:12:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 25107@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 06 19:12:13 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cEKDt-0007D8-IZ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Tue, 06 Dec 2016 10:11:17 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.25.190.2 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Dec 2016 10:11:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <83y3zthr75.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:126566 Archived-At: --94eb2c1a0ba0a216320543015479 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 6 December 2016 at 18:01, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: Reuben Thomas > > Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 17:46:23 +0000 > > Cc: 25107@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > I agree with the general point, but in this case we are talking about > > mentioning a small number of file names in the doc string. Doesn't > > seem like a burden to me, and whoever put that information there > > probably didn't see it as such, either. > > > > =E2=80=8BIn that case I will add the information for Enchant. At least = it is not > likely to change.=E2=80=8B > > Sure, that's what I meant. > > > I was thinking about someone using the result to report the version > > they have, e.g. as part of a bug report. > > > > =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8BVersion of what? If of Emacs, then that version infor= mation is already > provided by report-emacs-bug. If of a > > spellchecker, then that information is still provided by the revised > message. > > It's admittedly a minor issue, but just to make myself clear: I > thought about reporting the version not as part of report-emacs-bug. > > Or let me ask this: why does ispell-version at all exist? Perhaps I'm > confused about its purpose. > =E2=80=8BMy understanding is that it exists for reporting bugs in the combi= nation of ispell.el and whatever spell checker you are using. When ispell.el was distributed as third-party code, there were extra two useful pieces of information: the version of the spell-checker program, and the version of ispell.el. Now, there is just one extra piece of information, the version of the spell-checker program. One would presumably also want the version of Emacs in a bug report, but we don't print this out all over the place; we provide the convenience of report-emacs-bug, and otherwise expect users to put it manually in the report. =E2=80=8BSo, emacs-version does not substitute for the old ispell.el versio= n; the old ispell.el version has simply become unnecessary, and I've removed it. The Emacs version is still needed for a bug report, but there's no reason that ispell.el (or any other core package) should show emacs-version specially, when there are already user-friendly ways to automatically put it in bug reports.=E2=80=8B --=20 http://rrt.sc3d.org --94eb2c1a0ba0a216320543015479 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On = 6 December 2016 at 18:01, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
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> From: Reuben Thomas <rrt@sc3d.org>
> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 17:46:23 +0000
> Cc: 25107@debbugs.gnu.org=
>
>=C2=A0 I agree with the general point, but in this case we are talking = about
>=C2=A0 mentioning a small number of file names in the doc string. Doesn= 't
>=C2=A0 seem like a burden to me, and whoever put that information there=
>=C2=A0 probably didn't see it as such, either.
>
> =E2=80=8BIn that case I will add the information for Enchant. At least= it is not likely to change.=E2=80=8B

Sure, that's what I meant.

>=C2=A0 I was thinking about someone using the result to report the vers= ion
>=C2=A0 they have, e.g. as part of a bug report.
>
> =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8BVersion of what? If of Emacs, then that version info= rmation is already provided by report-emacs-bug. If of a
> spellchecker, then that information is still provided by the revised m= essage.

It's admittedly a minor issue, but just to make myself clear: I<= br> thought about reporting the version not as part of report-emacs-bug.

Or let me ask this: why does ispell-version at all exist?=C2=A0 Perhaps I&#= 39;m
confused about its purpose.

=E2=80=8BMy understanding is that it exists for reporting bugs in the co= mbination of ispell.el and whatever spell checker you are using. When ispel= l.el was distributed as third-party code, there were extra two useful piece= s of information: the version of the spell-checker program, and the version= of ispell.el.
=
Now, there= is just one extra piece of information, the version of the spell-checker p= rogram.

One would presuma= bly also want the version of Emacs in a bug report, but we don't print = this out all over the place; we provide the convenience of report-emacs-bug= , and otherwise expect users to put it manually in the report.

=E2= =80=8BSo, emacs-version does not substitute for the old ispell.el version; = the old ispell.el version has simply become unnecessary, and I've remov= ed it. The Emacs version is still needed for a bug report, but there's = no reason that ispell.el (or any other core package) should show emacs-vers= ion specially, when there are already user-friendly ways to automatically p= ut it in bug reports.=E2=80=8B

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