From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Reuben Thomas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#13566: 24.1; Too easy to forget things with remember Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 17:44:24 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87vcai5xp0.fsf@sc3d.org> <764ne680tf.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c37c448df21a04dcb058b3 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1368549942 25722 80.91.229.3 (14 May 2013 16:45:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 16:45:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 13566@debbugs.gnu.org To: Glenn Morris Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 14 18:45:41 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UcIM3-00022U-R3 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 May 2013 18:45:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57963 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UcIM3-0004VG-G5 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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charset=ISO-8859-1 On 14 May 2013 17:14, Glenn Morris wrote: > Reuben Thomas wrote: > > > Auto-save protection would be nice, but that seems like a separate issue, > > unless you're also suggesting that the prompt-on-exit for an unfinalized > > remember buffer should be to save in a temporary file (which could be > > confusing, especially for a user who doesn't use desktop.el or some other > > session support), in which case I'm not sure it's a good idea. > > Maybe use write-contents-functions to make saving actually finalize. > Could you summarize what you're suggesting now, please? I previously suggested one change, to add (setq buffer-offer-save t) to the function "remember". Your suggestions taken together seem to involve multiple changes to achieve a) the same result as mine and b) auto-save protection, which seems worthwhile if it's similarly simple. > It's a shame to see existing small functionality reimplemented by a > mammoth package. But if no-one cares enough to do anything about it, > that's how it is I suppose. > I'm not sure it makes a lot of difference if org-capture is as simple to use, since org-mode is shipped as part of Emacs. -- http://rrt.sc3d.org --001a11c37c448df21a04dcb058b3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 14 May 2013 17:14, Glenn Morris <<= a href=3D"mailto:rgm@gnu.org" target=3D"_blank">rgm@gnu.org> = wrote:
Reuben Thomas wrote:

> Auto-save protection would be nice, but that seems like a separate iss= ue,
> unless you're also suggesting that the prompt-on-exit for an unfin= alized
> remember buffer should be to save in a temporary file (which could be<= br> > confusing, especially for a user who doesn't use desktop.el or som= e other
> session support), in which case I'm not sure it's a good idea.=

Maybe use write-contents-functions to make saving actually finalize.<= br>

Could you summarize what you're sug= gesting now, please? I previously suggested one change, to add (setq buffer= -offer-save t) to the function "remember". Your suggestions taken= together seem to involve multiple changes to achieve a) the same result as= mine and b) auto-save protection, which seems worthwhile if it's simil= arly simple.
=A0
It's a shame to see existing small functionality reimplemented by= a
mammoth package. But if no-one cares enough to do anything about it,
that's how it is I suppose.

I'm not sure it= makes a lot of difference if org-capture is as simple to use, since org-mo= de is shipped as part of Emacs.
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