From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Mastro Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#25462: Out of date doc string for "`". 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a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=C1Mt2ucZTrvlR7U7i+ZdcqcBzYB00d+WHG5lek1VMV8=; b=Ecs0RB1SJzeV7chaoqcXCQGsxMzBqui1O8PJ2VIS0ZwuP51GMJ6C3uND/cGeW5j6Dj WI+EEzQ8G3hrvComO5zumN5DXH7EaejRxGetPrCp49kjkmi9jmOOWD5XLTuCGHYD7zx2 mNU+sHkxAWyM8hjwsd4vzqFefocoG/3kHG0M74M+YCniP94ms8GIEc5vg8SPbIZFz/8r pE2PchfdY2GbHIjEZJ3BKGcvPSe7yYOomOIAMrckOkfeqPIKcOBfWlH5RsN8Q+aTDQNP k+AZKs/Ig8UlDec77owR1RAWj5nAxxRPmfm75u0Hs2M89mObcoNgEqQabBxY4TTdS4Kl yNTQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXJo7GL77czSF58gEOnvRto6jbunGMOAtU2vaPwPX1Rq/0/0EUlXRi4sTG4doncAafXTAmdLtdim1mvr/g== X-Received: by 10.55.103.85 with SMTP id b82mr35280380qkc.24.1484687868238; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 13:17:48 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.237.56.138 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 13:17:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:128183 Archived-At: Noam Postavsky wrote: > On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >> Hello, Emacs. >> >> The doc string for "`" has become partial. >> >> It fails to mention that "`" has a radically different meaning when used >> in certain parts of a `pcase', and probably quite a few other similar >> macros. > > I don't think that makes sense. Similarly, we don't add a mention of > `cl-loop's use of `if' in the docstring of `if', because that's not > part of the `if' special form. It's just a use of `if' as a plain > symbol. Since the misunderstanding is believing that "`" is more special than it is, maybe something calling out its ordinariness could be appropriate (and throw in a reference to pcase as an example?) I don't think this is great, but, as an example: Note that `\\=`' is any ordinary Lisp symbol and thus may be treated as data or given different meanings in particular contexts. For instance, it has a special meaning inside `pcase' patterns.