Hi,

Andrea is right. Reading through all the documentation, I implied
that use-package would upgrade built-in packages if I pinned them to an
archive
and I :ensure'd them.

Use case: want to upgrade org from the 9.6.x version packaged with master
to the
9.7.x version available in elpa.

Maybe this is more a FR and if so, we could move this to the list and have
an informed
discussion there.

Best, /PA

On Wed, 5 Jun 2024 at 20:09, Andrea Corallo <acorallo@gnu.org> wrote:

> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
> >> Cc: 71356@debbugs.gnu.org
> >> From: Andrea Corallo <acorallo@gnu.org>
> >> Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2024 17:44:37 -0400
> >>
> >> Seems the issue is in 'use-package-ensure-elpa' where we gate any
> >> installation with "(unless (package-installed-p package)".  I think we
> >> should progress also if we see that the package is built-in and is
> >> actually pinned.
> >>
> >> The attached seems to do the job for me, but I'm not 100% sure it's the
> >> best/right fix so I'd appretiate someone else to have a look.
> >
> > Isn't this because we require an explicit directive by the user in
> > order to upgrade a built-in package?  The Emacs user manual says:
> >
> >      By default, ‘package-install’ doesn't consider built-in packages for
> >   which new versions are available from the archives.  (A package is
> >   built-in if it is included in the Emacs distribution.)  In particular,
> >   it will not show built-in packages in the list of completion candidates
> >   when you type at its prompt.  But if you invoke ‘package-install’ with
> a
> >   prefix argument, it will also consider built-in packages that can be
> >   upgraded.  You can make this behavior the default by customizing the
> >   variable ‘package-install-upgrade-built-in’: if its value is non-‘nil’,
> >   ‘package-install’ will consider built-in packages even when invoked
> >   without a prefix argument.  Note that the package-menu commands (*note
> >   Package Menu::) are also affected by
> ‘package-install-upgrade-built-in’.
> >
> >      By contrast, ‘package-upgrade’ and ‘package-upgrade-all’ never
> >   consider built-in packages.  If you want to use these commands for
> >   upgrading some built-in packages, you need to upgrade each of those
> >   packages, once, either via ‘C-u M-x package-install <RET>’, or by
> >   customizing ‘package-install-upgrade-built-in’ to a non-‘nil’ value,
> and
> >   then upgrading the package once via the package menu or by
> >   ‘package-install’.
> >
> > We had a long (and somewhat heated) discussion about this a year ago,
> > see bug#62720.
>
> I see thanks, OTOH this report is about the use-package macro not
> package itself.
>
> use-package doc doesn't mention built-in packages, but describes the two
> keyword parameters as:
>
> :ensure          Loads the package using package.el if necessary.
> :pin             Pin the package to an archive.
>
> So I found reasonable that for the reported case the user expects the
> package to be loaded using package.el.  But as I mentioned I'm no expert
> in this area so I might very well be off :)
>
> Thanks
>
>   Andrea
>
>

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