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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It is definitively a bug in my opinion. On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 6:56 AM, Andrew Hyatt wrote: > Andrew Hyatt writes: > > > Lennart Borgman writes: > > > >> If viper-mode is on and you for example in org-mode are in on a header > >> line with an invisible body and press =E2=80=9Co=E2=80=9D then the inv= isible text is > >> still invisible and point is now in the invisible part. > >> > >> I think this is a general Emacs problem, not a problem with only Viper > >> and I suggest that global-reveal-mode is turned on by default. > > > > Sorry for the late reply. This is still a problem in Emacs 25. > > > > I don't know if I agree that this is a problem, though. The behavior I > > see with Viper (or Evil, for that matter) is confusing but not crazy. I > > still see that I'm inserting something before the invisible part > > (represented by "..."), and when I expand the outline, then my edit > > indeed put the text before that invisible part. > > > > Turning on global-reveal-mode by default would change the org experienc= e > > and as well, so I'm unsure that is something others would agree on. > > No one has yet disagreed with me, so I'm going to mark this one as a > wishlist - I think there is something that either Org or Viper could do > to work better with each other, but this is more of a feature request > than a bug IMHO. > --94eb2c0603b2da73f6053a60b5a0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It is definitively a bug in my opinion.

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On Thu, Aug= 18, 2016 at 6:56 AM, Andrew Hyatt <ahyatt@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>
A= ndrew Hyatt <ahyatt@gmail.com>= ; writes:

> Lennart Borgman <lenna= rt.borgman@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> If viper-mode is on and you for example in org-mode are in on a he= ader
>> line with an invisible body and press =E2=80=9Co=E2=80=9D then the= invisible text is
>> still invisible and point is now in the invisible part.
>>
>> I think this is a general Emacs problem, not a problem with only V= iper
>> and I suggest that global-reveal-mode is turned on by default.
>
> Sorry for the late reply.=C2=A0 This is still a problem in Emacs 25. >
> I don't know if I agree that this is a problem, though. The behavi= or I
> see with Viper (or Evil, for that matter) is confusing but not crazy. = I
> still see that I'm inserting something before the invisible part > (represented by "..."), and when I expand the outline, then = my edit
> indeed put the text before that invisible part.
>
> Turning on global-reveal-mode by default would change the org experien= ce
> and as well, so I'm unsure that is something others would agree on= .

No one has yet disagreed with me, so I'm going to mark this= one as a
wishlist - I think there is something that either Org or Viper could do
to work better with each other, but this is more of a feature request
than a bug IMHO.

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