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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I use xterm-mouse under Terminal.app just fine as I rely only on Emacs pasteboard integration via xclip. (I use clipetty when terminals support osc52--there's no easy programmatic test for that which I'm aware of so I set that up "by hand.") I don't think it is a good idea to blanket disable xterm-mouse for macOS users. FWIW, one can detect it via getenv "TERM_PROGRAM" when set to "Apple_Termin= al". I'd suggest this is an exercise for the user. In my configuration, I have various things I configure based on if macOS and the terminal program; one being Apple's Terminal.app, another being WezTerm, etc. On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 11:37=E2=80=AFAM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote= : > > Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2024 21:16:16 -0800 > > From: Jared Finder <jared@finder.org> > > Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin@fastmail.fm>, > > 74833@debbugs.gnu.org, shipmints@gmail.com > > > > On 2024-12-15 19:40, Gerd M=C3=B6llmann wrote: > > > Jared Finder <jared@finder.org> writes: > > > > > >> What about adding a workaround that uses the command line tool pbcop= y > > >> (Mac version of xclip)? The pbcopy program is distributed with MacOS > > >> by default. > > > > > > The Elpa package xclip uses that. > > > > > > ;; This package allows Emacs to copy to and paste from the GUI > > > clipboard > > > ;; when running in text terminal. > > > ;; > > > ;; It can use external command-line tools for that, which you may > > > need > > > ;; to install in order for the package to work. > > > > Thanks. I just tested xclip-mode from Elpa and it indeed works to get > > copy operations work with Terminal.app. I think the best path forward > > would be to just mention this package in the NEWS update as a workaroun= d > > for folks using Terminal.app. We could also recommend using iTerm2 as a > > GPL'd alternative that properly supports copy. (Paste works fine becaus= e > > Terminal.app supports xterm bracketed pastes.) > > > > Eli, does this sound good to you? > > It does (I think it should also be in PROBLEMS), but I wonder whether > we should disable xterm-mouse on Terminal.app (assuming we can detect > it). It sounds like more people could bump into this tricky issue, > and relying on all of them read NEWS is too optimistic. > > What are the downsides of turning this off for Terminal.app? That's > what Emacs before 31 had, so it cannot be too bad. > --000000000000527aa6062965f29a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D""><font face=3D"mono= space">I use xterm-mouse under Terminal.app just fine as I rely only=C2=A0o= n=C2=A0Emacs pasteboard integration via xclip. (I use=C2=A0clipetty when te= rminals support osc52--there's no easy programmatic test for that which= I'm aware of so I set=C2=A0that up "by hand.") I don't t= hink it is a good idea to blanket=C2=A0disable xterm-mouse for macOS users.= </font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D""><font face=3D"monospac= e"><br></font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D""><font face=3D"m= onospace">FWIW, one can detect it via getenv "TERM_PROGRAM" when = set to=C2=A0</font><span style=3D"font-family:monospace">"Apple_Termin= al". I'd suggest this=C2=A0is an exercise for the user. In my conf= iguration, I have various things I configure based on if macOS and the term= inal program; one being Apple's Terminal.app, another being WezTerm, et= c.</span></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><= div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 11:37=E2=80=AF= AM Eli Zaretskii <<a href=3D"mailto:eliz@gnu.org">eliz@gnu.org</a>> w= rote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0p= x 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">> Date:= Sun, 15 Dec 2024 21:16:16 -0800<br> > From: Jared Finder <<a href=3D"mailto:jared@finder.org" target=3D"_= blank">jared@finder.org</a>><br> > Cc: Eli Zaretskii <<a href=3D"mailto:eliz@gnu.org" target=3D"_blank= ">eliz@gnu.org</a>>, Filipp Gunbin <<a href=3D"mailto:fgunbin@fastmai= l.fm" target=3D"_blank">fgunbin@fastmail.fm</a>>,<br> >=C2=A0 <a href=3D"mailto:74833@debbugs.gnu.org" target=3D"_blank">74833= @debbugs.gnu.org</a>, <a href=3D"mailto:shipmints@gmail.com" target=3D"_bla= nk">shipmints@gmail.com</a><br> > <br> > On 2024-12-15 19:40, Gerd M=C3=B6llmann wrote:<br> > > Jared Finder <<a href=3D"mailto:jared@finder.org" target=3D"_b= lank">jared@finder.org</a>> writes:<br> > > <br> > >> What about adding a workaround that uses the command line too= l pbcopy<br> > >> (Mac version of xclip)? The pbcopy program is distributed wit= h MacOS<br> > >> by default.<br> > > <br> > > The Elpa package xclip uses that.<br> > > <br> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0;; This package allows Emacs to copy to and paste fro= m the GUI <br> > > clipboard<br> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0;; when running in text terminal.<br> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0;;<br> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0;; It can use external command-line tools for that, w= hich you may <br> > > need<br> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0;; to install in order for the package to work.<br> > <br> > Thanks. I just tested xclip-mode from Elpa and it indeed works to get = <br> > copy operations work with Terminal.app. I think the best path forward = <br> > would be to just mention this package in the NEWS update as a workarou= nd <br> > for folks using Terminal.app. We could also recommend using iTerm2 as = a <br> > GPL'd alternative that properly supports copy. (Paste works fine b= ecause <br> > Terminal.app supports xterm bracketed pastes.)<br> > <br> > Eli, does this sound good to you?<br> <br> It does (I think it should also be in PROBLEMS), but I wonder whether<br> we should disable xterm-mouse on Terminal.app (assuming we can detect<br> it).=C2=A0 It sounds like more people could bump into this tricky issue,<br= > and relying on all of them read NEWS is too optimistic.<br> <br> What are the downsides of turning this off for Terminal.app?=C2=A0 That'= ;s<br> what Emacs before 31 had, so it cannot be too bad.<br> </blockquote></div> --000000000000527aa6062965f29a--