While trying to reconcile pixelwise frame sizing behaviors, I narrowed down two related issues. clone-frame does not correctly clone frames on a pixelwise basis. make-frame's text-pixels geometry support does not produce specified pixelwise geometry. This also impacts frameset-restore's ability to precisely reproduce pixelwise frame sizes. I consider these to be related as clone-frame's use of make-frame could be using text-pixels but if that doesn't work then pixelwise cloning won't work. I did read through the code base as best as I could but could not find the source of the text-pixels issue. The following reproducer, under -Q, shows the same results on 29.4 and 30.0.92. My main platform is NS and I also did some testing on GTK. GTK's issues seem a bit "messier" and I didn't spend any time trying to understand them in depth as I was more interested to know if GTK worked correctly or not, which it doesn't. (switch-to-buffer "*Messages*") (let ((target-text-width 1700) (target-text-height 1000) (native-width) (native-height) (msg (lambda (s frame) (message "%s text-width=%d (Δ%d) text-height=%d (Δ%d) native-width=%d (Δ%d) native-height %d (Δ%d)\n" s (frame-text-width frame) (- (frame-text-width frame) target-text-width) (frame-text-height frame) (- (frame-text-height frame) target-text-height) (frame-native-width frame) (- (frame-native-width frame) native-width) (frame-native-height frame) (- (frame-native-height frame) native-height))))) (set-frame-position nil 0 0) (set-frame-size nil target-text-width target-text-height 'pixelwise) (setq native-width (frame-native-width) native-height (frame-native-height)) (message "Targets: text-width=%d text-height=%d\n" target-text-width target-text-height) (funcall msg "orig" (selected-frame)) (message "clone-frame under frame-resize-pixelwise nil; expectation: use lines/columns geometry; outcome: met") (let ((frame-resize-pixelwise nil)) (let ((new-frame (clone-frame))) (funcall msg "new" new-frame) (delete-frame new-frame))) (message "clone-frame under frame-resize-pixelwise t; expectation: pixelwise geometry; outcome: unmet") (let ((frame-resize-pixelwise t)) (let ((new-frame (clone-frame))) (funcall msg "new" new-frame) (delete-frame new-frame))) (message "clone-frame followed by manual resize; expectation: pixelwise geometry; outcome: met (but two steps)") (let ((new-frame (clone-frame))) (set-frame-size new-frame target-text-width target-text-height 'pixelwise) (funcall msg "new" new-frame) (delete-frame new-frame)) (message "manual clone under frame-resize-pixelwise using text-pixels; expectation: pixelwise geometry; outcome: unmet") ;; code lifted from clone-frame ;; incorrect width offset seems to be equal to frame-scroll-bar-width (let* ((frame-resize-pixelwise t) (frame (selected-frame)) (no-windows nil) (windows (unless no-windows (window-state-get (frame-root-window frame)))) (default-frame-alist (seq-remove (lambda (elem) (memq (car elem) frame-internal-parameters)) (frame-parameters frame))) (new-frame)) (when (and (display-graphic-p frame) frame-resize-pixelwise) (push (cons 'width (cons 'text-pixels (frame-text-width frame))) default-frame-alist) (push (cons 'height (cons 'text-pixels (frame-text-height frame))) default-frame-alist)) (setq new-frame (make-frame)) (when windows (window-state-put windows (frame-root-window new-frame) 'safe)) (unless (display-graphic-p frame) (select-frame new-frame)) (funcall msg "new" new-frame) (delete-frame new-frame))) This is an implementation of clone-frame that uses text-pixels under make-frame. This depends on make-frame text-pixels being corrected. Happy to supply this as a patch should the discussion of these issues progress in that direction. (defun clone-frame (&optional frame no-windows pixelwise) "Make a new frame with the same parameters and windows as FRAME. With a prefix arg NO-WINDOWS, don't clone the window configuration. When PIXELWISE is non-nil or if `frame-resize-pixelwise' is non-nil, and frame is not text-only, clone the originating frame's pixel size. FRAME defaults to the selected frame. The frame is created on the same terminal as FRAME. If the terminal is a text-only terminal then also select the new frame." (interactive (list (selected-frame) current-prefix-arg)) (let* ((frame (or frame (selected-frame))) (windows (unless no-windows (window-state-get (frame-root-window frame)))) (default-frame-alist (seq-remove (lambda (elem) (memq (car elem) frame-internal-parameters)) (frame-parameters frame))) (new-frame)) (when (and (display-graphic-p frame) (or pixelwise frame-resize-pixelwise)) (push (cons 'width (cons 'text-pixels (frame-text-width frame))) default-frame-alist) (push (cons 'height (cons 'text-pixels (frame-text-height frame))) default-frame-alist)) (setq new-frame (make-frame)) (when windows (window-state-put windows (frame-root-window new-frame) 'safe)) (unless (display-graphic-p frame) (select-frame new-frame)) new-frame)) -Stephane