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X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 09:48:47 -0500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:153594 Archived-At: --0000000000004fb0ee057d5b4c20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" From: dmlvianna@gmail.com To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 26.1; gomoku demotivational messages --text follows this line-- * Start of message Gomoku made my 6 year old child cry. I hope you take it seriously. I am introducing my child to programming by letting him play games in emacs. He loves snake. He understands that programs are just instructions (like Lego instructions) that the computer must follow to do things. And now he found Gomoku. I believe emacs should be an inviting environment for users. And gomoku, albeit hard, should not punish people from using it. But it does. All its messages are demotivational. I think this detracts emacs from the core GNU value of helping your friends to learn. Yes, I did what I was supposed to do in order to cheer him up. I told him not to believe on what the computer was saying (that "trying didn't help him much.") I told not to trust the computer. Is that the message you would like GNU to send to budding computer users? I am thankful for emacs. I hope it keeps getting better. That's why I wrote this. Regardless of changes being made to the messages, I'm going to show him the source and hopefully this will still serve as a lesson in programming. Kind regards, Daniel Vianna. * End of message In GNU Emacs 26.1 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.22.30) of 2018-12-01 built on localhost Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11906000 Recent messages: Let me think... Your move? Let me think... Your move? Let me think... Your move? Let me think... Your move? Let me think... I won... Playing first did not help you much! 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Subject: 26.1; gomoku demo= tivational messages
--text follows this line--

* Start of message

Gomoku made my 6 year ol= d child cry.

I hope you take it seriously. I am in= troducing my child to programming
by letting him play games in em= acs. He loves snake. He understands that
programs are just instru= ctions (like Lego instructions) that the
computer must follow to = do things. And now he found Gomoku.

I believe emac= s should be an inviting environment for users. And gomoku,
albeit= hard, should not punish people from using it. But it does. All
i= ts messages are demotivational. I think this detracts emacs from the
<= div>core GNU value of helping your friends to learn.

Yes, I did what I was supposed to do in order to cheer him up. I told
him not to believe on what the computer was saying (that "tryi= ng didn't
help him much.") I told not to trust the compu= ter.

Is that the message you would like GNU to sen= d to budding computer
users?

I am thankf= ul for emacs. I hope it keeps getting better. That's why I
wr= ote this. Regardless of changes being made to the messages, I'm going
to show him the source and hopefully this will still serve as a le= sson
in programming.

Kind regards,
=

Daniel Vianna.

* End of messag= e


In GNU Emacs 26.1 (build 1, x86_6= 4-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.22.30)
=C2=A0of 2018-12-01 built o= n localhost
Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundatio= n', version 11.0.11906000
Recent messages:
Let me t= hink...
Your move?
Let me think...
Your move?=
Let me think...
Your move?
Let me think...
Your move?
Let me think...
I won...=C2=A0 Play= ing first did not help you much!

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Configured features:
XPM JPEG TIFF GIF PNG RSVG SOUND DBUS GSETTINGS NOTIFY LIBSELINUX GNU= TLS
LIBXML2 FREETYPE M17N_FLT LIBOTF XFT ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS= GTK3 X11
MODULES THREADS LIBSYSTEMD

Imp= ortant settings:
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Major mode: Gomoku

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