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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you for digging deeper into this! There is a lot of useful information. But, Here's a video of flickering https://youtu.be/Is2ebMXjhxg: - Different MacBook (2019 I believe). - Terminal.app (The one which comes as a standard). - Simplest Emacs from http://emacsformacosx.com/ - No tmux. - No advanced user customizations (it is not my laptop). - Only display-line-numbers-mode is enabled with 'visual type. It is definitely not attached to Alacritty, but probably the same issue with refresh vs frame rate updates. On Thu, Sep 1, 2022 at 4:30 AM Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: Gerd M=C3=B6llmann > > Cc: kuragin@google.com, 57434@debbugs.gnu.org > > Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2022 10:56:35 +0200 > > > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > > > I'm not sure I understand: what would the user send to the terminal i= n > > > those hooks? > > > > They would send the begin-update/end-update control sequences. That > > would be ESC P in the one proposal I mentioned. > > > > It would of course be better if we could do that automatically. > > Exactly. I don't think it's reasonable to expect users to figure out > what and when to send if we cannot figure that out ourselves. > --=20 *If you get an email from me outside of the 9-5 it is *not* because I'm always on or expect an immediate response from you; it is because of work flexibility . Evening and weekend emails are a sign I allocated some regular working hours for other things (such as family, gym, friends,...). And I encourage you to feel free to do the same. --000000000000b7569105e79cbd28 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you for digging deeper into this! There is a lot = of useful information. But,
Here's a video of flickering=C2=A0<= a href=3D"https://youtu.be/Is2ebMXjhxg">https://youtu.be/Is2ebMXjhxg:
=C2=A0- Different MacBook=C2=A0(2019 I believe).
=C2=A0- Ter= minal.app (The one which comes as a standard).
=C2=A0- Simplest Ema= cs from=C2=A0http://emacsformacosx.c= om/
=C2=A0- No tmux.
=C2=A0- No advanced user customiza= tions (it is not my laptop).
=C2=A0- Only display-line-numbers-mode= is enabled with 'visual type.

It is definitely= =C2=A0not attached to Alacritty, but probably the same issue with refresh v= s frame rate updates.

On Thu, Sep 1, 2022 at 4:30 AM Eli Zaretskii <= ;eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
> From: Gerd M=C3=B6llmann = <gerd.moel= lmann@gmail.com>
> Cc: kuragin@go= ogle.com,=C2=A0 57434@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2022 10:56:35 +0200
>
> Eli Zaretskii <el= iz@gnu.org> writes:
>
> > I'm not sure I understand: what would the user send to the te= rminal in
> > those hooks?
>
> They would send the begin-update/end-update control sequences.=C2=A0 T= hat
> would be ESC P <something> in the one proposal I mentioned.
>
> It would of course be better if we could do that automatically.

Exactly.=C2=A0 I don't think it's reasonable to expect users to fig= ure out
what and when to send if we cannot figure that out ourselves.


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*If you get an email from me outside of the 9-5 it is=C2= =A0not=C2=A0because I'm always on or expect an immediate respons= e from you; it is because of=C2=A0<= a href=3D"http://www.inc.com/john-boitnott/how-flexible-hours-can-create-a-= better-work-life-balance.html" style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204)" target=3D"_bl= ank">work flexibility.=C2=A0=C2=A0= Evening and weekend emails are a sign I allocated some regular working hour= s for other things (such as family, gym, friends,...).=C2=A0 And I encourag= e you to feel free to do the same.

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