From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sebastian Wiesner Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#14704: 24.3.50; cl-lib breaks built-in Emacs version Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 19:51:20 +0200 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1372096330 20104 80.91.229.3 (24 Jun 2013 17:52:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 17:52:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 14704@debbugs.gnu.org To: Juanma Barranquero Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 24 19:52:10 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UrAvx-0006Lc-Fj for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 19:52:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33199 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UrAvx-00075V-3T for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 13:52:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35942) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UrAvt-000716-6M for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 13:52:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UrAvr-0002DZ-RE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 13:52:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:44624) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UrAvr-0002DV-P0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 13:52:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UrAvr-0004yV-D2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 13:52:03 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Sebastian Wiesner Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 17:52:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 14704 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 14704-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B14704.137209629119062 (code B ref 14704); Mon, 24 Jun 2013 17:52:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at 14704) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Jun 2013 17:51:31 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38939 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UrAvK-0004xO-PE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 13:51:31 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qc0-f171.google.com ([209.85.216.171]:40603) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UrAvG-0004wi-MW for 14704@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 13:51:27 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-qc0-f171.google.com with SMTP id n1so6627367qcw.30 for <14704@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 10:51:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=qajtTeCR2VsWofkq9Zz+V9C3c8fDDi6wfLjXB2O+DFw=; b=uTWf9KeM6iPBbe69IsNqH4xo7VVvS2vv/ZVfQifzmq2PNOqWmCgejD5e7B/W7PdUoj m4GleUHuJKoMseXPrYC29qSi2+FQ5ZzeBMmZJIATx53xNMRffoADE47ZP1anfTAmAfTD 45ypoDkzR06nLIl4JXnoyo91MVnu+u9CYBtCpCaVWLNZZqxmC1DYgYVgxVgxuc3Rtfmq mU3mSc+aBs3rSMFTE+EJTbk8TwVYDRay+bz9IyTjmAOY5XvauyX50WisV5XbppxkcBRK nerDUjkqb0ZktbyGTzsfzZoF7ZueTWAfF7zzivCw+dUPLPbrd7Ul7hQTTZPno2/4w+gy jzIw== X-Received: by 10.49.58.240 with SMTP id u16mr28658540qeq.16.1372096280917; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 10:51:20 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.224.178.193 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 10:51:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:75518 Archived-At: 2013/6/24 Juanma Barranquero : > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 5:30 PM, Sebastian Wiesner = wrote: > >> This is the 3rd critical package.el bug I discovered within just a week >> or so. Don't you test your code?! > > If you want well-tested code, stay with Emacs official releases. If > you compile from trunk, expect breakages, untested code and potential > data loss. Caveat user. Who would test your code then before releases if not those who compile from trunk? You developers obviously don't=E2=80=A6 and what is worse, yo= u apparently do even *care*. These three bugs I found are so blatantly obvious and so severe that even the most sloppy manual testing, let alone unit testing, would have revealed them, but all you have to say to such a bad failure is =E2=80=9CBoy, this is trunk, go home to mama, and play with old releases=E2= =80=9D?! I am sorry that you do not know about CI, unit testing and software quality, but I do, and thus I am horrified by the neglect and ignorance you demonstrate in developing one of the most important tools of my daily work.