From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sebastian Wiesner Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#14704: 24.3.50; cl-lib breaks built-in Emacs version Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:40:44 +0200 Message-ID: References: <83bo6vjrx1.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1372099571 24306 80.91.229.3 (24 Jun 2013 18:46:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 18:46:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lekktu@gmail.com, 14704@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 24 20:46:11 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UrBmD-0001CF-2n for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:46:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55547 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UrBmC-0008Bj-P0 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 14:46:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52440) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UrBm8-0008BE-5m for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 14:46:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UrBm7-0002AF-8H for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 14:46:04 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:44700) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UrBhG-0000V6-6y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 14:41:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UrBhF-00072Z-Va for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 14:41:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Sebastian Wiesner Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 18:41:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 14704 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 14704-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B14704.137209925327040 (code B ref 14704); Mon, 24 Jun 2013 18:41:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 14704) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Jun 2013 18:40:53 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39016 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UrBh7-000722-Cu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 14:40:53 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qa0-f47.google.com ([209.85.216.47]:43509) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UrBh4-00071R-Fi for 14704@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 14:40:51 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-qa0-f47.google.com with SMTP id i13so2507952qae.13 for <14704@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:40:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=EdmXHDjmckJQvKo5FmO8KD36FIMnbjsXkb026cjZehU=; b=beLCiZYtF1Hi5bUu5krh8xmWmqlAlD4ZtpQtgfrAopR8Y89o49KGCtK5DiBgRjG+yw qdOuSMWvAV6uCpBzhbECwrGEb4FijARSCH6vNHemf6R4pV5wa1mgVtghQafFdbOpiU7u QLFa33EEk1ENzQfISvQ7dNkUUk06ml3JVqi8QX3Wv/oXeA/IoXKPccELiOJAJQyDuDqo knSkYahPFSNTPspUkTU1SgepCUWxAlbmscT9e38EYSUTpRJ9zlCRMzjgf0yk8K5lM+x7 kgVq8s9dY/mQmUghAAacCkTIm2rAMbQl9ZUqBTXwttMCkrnZ6R3TpeU2UbklJl4uVsu/ nmNg== X-Received: by 10.49.48.112 with SMTP id k16mr10394604qen.43.1372099244827; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:40:44 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.224.178.193 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:40:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83bo6vjrx1.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:75525 Archived-At: 2013/6/24 Eli Zaretskii : >> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 19:51:20 +0200 >> From: Sebastian Wiesner >> Cc: 14704@debbugs.gnu.org >> >> 2013/6/24 Juanma Barranquero : >> > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 5:30 PM, Sebastian Wiesner wrote: >> > >> >> This is the 3rd critical package.el bug I discovered within just a we= ek >> >> or so. Don't you test your code?! >> > >> > If you want well-tested code, stay with Emacs official releases. If >> > you compile from trunk, expect breakages, untested code and potential >> > data loss. Caveat user. >> >> Who would test your code then before releases if not those who compile >> from trunk? > > Each release is preceded by a long pretest period, when we are trying > to collect usage experiences from as many different platforms and > users as possible. >> You developers obviously don't=E2=80=A6 and what is worse, you apparentl= y do >> even *care*. > > I don't think this is a fair comment. I know. I was upset by his comment, and I still am, but I should have taken a deep breath before replying. I meant no offense, and I am sorry. >> I am sorry that you do not know about CI, unit testing and software >> quality, but I do, and thus I am horrified by the neglect and >> ignorance you demonstrate in developing one of the most important >> tools of my daily work. > > While more testing is always a good thing, some areas in Emacs are > hard to test. package.el isn't such an area. > Please consider coming on board and moving Emacs closer to the CI ideals = and testability. TIA. I am sorry, but I won't, for two reasons: Bazaar, and copyright assignments= .