From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Barzilay Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21634: [External] : bug#21634: text-scale-adjust suggestion Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2021 18:31:02 -0400 Message-ID: References: <22035.47283.76000.848103@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <83d1wsxcuz.fsf@gnu.org> <87zgstyl9e.fsf_-_@gnus.org> <871r65ab7q.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87czpou8z7.fsf@gnus.org> <87pmtntcl5.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87fsuikszt.fsf@gnus.org> <87eea1hhzc.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="29760"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , "21634@debbugs.gnu.org" <21634@debbugs.gnu.org>, Juri Linkov To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 07 00:31:13 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mNN8y-0007XN-Ug for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=AfxxEtcpuES1dbr+o+6q4UW9Jw1uI5YvyGUUsjETidI=; b=gYw7AQyNsbfyEQTZb03xintLoTNOui1trDXSnR7WYA/vyXuD9jSnln8Pn+bKdwYd5p PPrt9Mrpc80maZZYdVhqsJ04ikdIARewMt8IiY3MunX8Z8VtLo9r/T0oCUCwkKs1avmq thLV1RW+BGTaEWUb00Wujqxc+8O+APdY4GKo/nOoP2prAatgnWVsG4U8SZcVpC1cvsTf pTlrA4VRC4OMDksDccEpXTSawhAqMgPht+gbzAMwqDo1UKPgx/7kxz3hdIqQwctv87Dw Q+zjq3SQbe7oZncvKpvEhQskHxNho1BREy1ZdJRkatX16AyLpaSmi7BiSNOjE0JZJXpK /Ivg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530RQASZkjwt0aadyoIdy/5JpPkcEi8Q3s9RU7twsP7MAqv5ktlM 32pS/xKKHZ9Upi8zF6mS1ka/2Be8b4OrVKjaUajF/VM2xpQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJywe5n3erNSxziYnzUmjciDGFzgBBmocUxg5t3UVsCkQsVTsqUn4zuN5a1cDILf7lV4zJ37cAO4XhRTPt8plHo= X-Received: by 2002:a67:24c6:: with SMTP id k189mr7221929vsk.3.1630967428900; Mon, 06 Sep 2021 15:30:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:213645 Archived-At: IIUC, the discussion was about making it time out in addition to C-g-ing out and not instead of it. My original concern was leaving Emacs in the middle of such an interaction, and when you get back to Emacs, you can easily forget that you were in the middle of an interaction and be surprised when keys don't work as expected. With indent-rigidly this is even worse since the echo-area message disappears leaving you with no indication of it being active, which is essentially a mode which is extremely un-emacsy. On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 6:15 PM Drew Adams wrote: > > > Another command that could use it as well is 'indent-rigidly'. > > Currently it's too inconvenient to type C-g to get out of it. > > Exiting after a delay would be a better option. > > Not that I care much about this particular fiddling, > but IMHO, `C-g' to "get out of" what is essentially > a modal, or near-modal interaction, is emacsy and > makes perfect sense. Having a time-out "get out of" > such contexts seems to me quite wrong & unfriendly. > > (Again though, not much concern on my part, for > quitting this command's repeating behavior.) > > Timers do things silently, at moments users are > often not aware of. And users certainly don't want > to _wait_ for a timer as the way to initiate or > terminate some action. At a minimum there should > be a way to quit on demand (i.e. do it now!). -- ((x=>x(x))(x=>x(x))) Eli Barzilay: http://barzilay.org/ Maze is Life!